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Hi big chips I am also flat better. Never use progression not even 1,2

dont worry about l w l w and slow grind

if u use 1,2 you immediately create deviation of possible 1,2 loss which is hard to recover from.

if l w l w  place less bets but focus to be more accurate.

just my opinion

[So you want to be a Professional Baccarat Player...]

I'm starting to discover the more time I spend in the casino its such a lonely place

There's people all around you but the vast majority are hopeless gamblers and I have no interest to talk or socialise with them.

The glamour and excitement I used to enjoy is starting to fade.

 

[So you want to be a Professional Baccarat Player...]

Patrick,

I'm not sure but I think I am a little more gentle than Oz:

 

It appears you are looking at this from a different perspective;

 

Whether one could make it as a professional / full time player

vs

Oz already did that and has achieved it to arguably the highest level. He doesn't need to wonder if he could make it and whether he should hedge his bets with employment / super / pension

He is his own boss and covers all those expenses himself by playing.

I think the point of the post is to give people a snapshot of what its like in his world so people understand what it takes and the fact that its not so easy and glorified as people may think.

 

 

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2 hours ago, RonO said:

Carlos is a scumbag who ripped me for a few thousand

Sorry to hear that RonO

As hard as it may be let it go

Focus on yourself moving forward

Surround yourself with good people, stay away from the bad.

I can honestly say I have only talked to good people on this forum

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Thanks CT just starting to realise that this is the key to 'just winning' and becoming a high level player. 

One of the things I learned form your posts

Also Oz's work ethic with this is second to none hence the results he gets

Also the Stats For Profit is a good way to get one into the habit of homework after playing by at least entering the shoes into the program

 

 

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55 minutes ago, CT70 said:

Hey Brad, I didn't see my name. Aren't you going to visit me?...lol

CT70

Of course mate but too many names to list in USA !

McVince, way2fast, trbfla, trillion, douglas, kachatz, Keith, Mike......

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Thanks CT it means a lot

Now that I can win consistently and more importantly not lose consistently its a matter of time till my BR / unit size increases to the point where I can do this full time.

I cant wait but trying to stay calm. Its real hard when you are trying to balance this with other work commitments as it does require a lot of time but until that time generates you money you have to keep doing what you are doing. Its a real hard one.

Then I'm gonna cruise around and visit all BTC members around the world

Pando in NZ

Oz in Sydney

Zeckam in Singapore

William Looi in Malaysia

Lou in UK

and many others

and of course many guys in the US including yourself

I can totally get what BigChips is saying as sure everyone has been at the point they wonder is this really possible?

Push past the point and you will find out it absolutely is

For sure I would say the answer is no magical method or system but hard work and being able to talk and converse with members and players who have been through this and made it

That place was and is this forum

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Hi Big Chips,

I have a few words of advice for you.

1) Don't spend any money on any more systems - you already have enough of those and you already know there is no HG

(note - this forum is no longer a system selling site but a players forum or 'club' if you like where we just discuss what strategies work and is a monthly fee not a lump sum outlay to buy winning systems)

2) Don't try too hard to find winning bets - let them come to you. If you try too hard to find bets then you start creating patterns and biases in your mind that aren't really there and placing bets that you shouldn't make. Know your winning shoe types and triggers and learn to sit back and wait patiently until those situations present. If it means your shoe average is only 2 - 3 units then so be it

I daresay Oz didn't average double figures when he started playing full time. I think at one point he said his average was only 2 - 3 units per shoe and pretty sure it was a lot of hard work and practise to get that average where it is now.

My average is 3 - 5 units at the moment depending on the entry point. If I enter towards the end of a shoe I'm happy to exit with just 1 unit profit. If I start form the start and I hit a decent total and it starts falling then I will quit with a win rather than keep playing and risk losing what I already have.

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I would like to nominate Oz for PR person of this forum

I think he should run seminars etc

He is such a people person and displays a lot of patience in teaching beginners! 

 

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No point to finish it Johnny the casino spies have already hacked the computer and made every strategy redundant.

Only way is to learn the next best system before they find out

Now hurry up and register before its too late!!

 

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Invincible player seminar ?

For real?

[Risk vs Reward]

Thanks for your comments

Yes generally I prefer flat bet or up as you win but I have been shown circumstances where negative progression can work

[Risk vs Reward]

You start playing and you see a run of opposites

You bet opposite 1 unit

You win

The worst you can do now is break even and you cant see any reason why the run wouldn't continue

You back it again

Incredibly the run of opposites goes to 10 iar

You are up 10 units flat betting

Its half way through the shoe

You lose a bet on a repeat banker - well the run had to end eventually

You are at +9 flat betting

You decide to back the banker run and risk 1 unit

You lose

You are at +8

You have lost 2 units from the high point of +10

Damn - you would really like to get it back and end with +10

Risk vs reward

You are above your average score at just over half way through the shoe

What's the best that could happen? You could hit +10 or more

Whats the worst? You could lose a few more units and turn a good win into an average win

Or you could turn a good win into a mediocre win or a break even or a loss.

You know you would kick yourself if you got to +10 and gave it all back

There's less than half a shoe left and you've just capitalised on a massive sweet spot

You don't see runs like that often.

Risk vs reward

You cash out and commend yourself on a +8 win

Nearly double your average.

[Hello Everyone]

Hi Eugene

Did not know UK had many casinos.

Good to hear

See you on the private forum

[Risk vs Reward]

You start playing and you get a win - good start

Then you lose - ok its a 50/50 game

But then you lose like 3 times in a row on bets you were sure would repeat

You are a little frazzled

You wait until you are really sure but you lose again

No matter what you do you just cant pick it right

You lose 1 more time and you are at -5

This is a point you recognise that historically once you get here it all goes downhill and you seldom recover

If you were to quit here and clear your mind you know that 1 or 2 average shoes you would be back in front

But you cant help thinking I hate walking away with a loss

You say its not impossible that I could just suddenly start hitting everything right and make 10 units and walk away with a profit

Miracles do happen

Or what if just this once I doubled my unit size and then I only need to make 5 units

Risk vs reward

If you lost that would be up to 6 average games to get back in front

You walk and clear your head

[Risk vs Reward]

A short phrase I believe everyone should say to themselves and remember before they start playing AND remember while they are playing.

You walk into a casino you look around, you sit down at a table or stand on the edge of a table reviewing the tote boards for a game in play or you record a new game.

What prompts you to know when to bet?

When you see a pattern that you recognise has a good chance to repeat itself - a better than 50/50 chance

(for recreational players this doesn't apply - just throw your money on either banker or player and hope for the best. as long as you cover your drinks for the night and have a good time you've won)

So you decide to risk a unit on the pattern repeating itself - 1 unit

You lose - you were wrong - that's ok its a 50/50 game

You are only down 1 unit

Look for another pattern that you recognise and believe has a better than 50/50 chance of repeating itself

 

You win - you were right the pattern did repeat itself you won a unit.

Do you still believe the pattern is likely to continue? If yes then you bet another unit

The worst you can do here is break even as you are 1 unit up

But the potential is unlimited - what if the pattern repeats 5 - 10 more times

Always remember the words: Risk vs Reward

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Also disappointed you did not include your 5D-T method (5D-Turbo)

You know the one which is guaranteed to double your money EVERY time you play ?

Could you please include it at an additional cost of course!?

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Hi Kevin,

I just rang the number above to reserve my copy and I got a recording -  sold out due to excessive orders - please contact Kevin for further info - could you please advise when more offers available !?

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I used to think that too

Maybe if you had to choose one NOR system or basic system then OTBL would be best

Since then I have looked at more complex ways to analyse shoes

OTBL is just one of many ways

I never go into a shoe thinking which bias to play - analyse the shoe and make an educated decision and be ready to change on a dime because bacc is bacc and at the end of the day its a 50/50 game

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3 hours ago, BigChips said:

Beating casino baccarat today is hard. To beat it EVERY day or playing full time and winning 70% or more of all shoes, trips, visits    Is very difficult.  So many systems can beat the right shoe.   Trick is knowing  what to play  before shoe unfolds.    Sometimes   How a shoe starts can be a signal  what system to use.  Today,   That  either almost does not work    Or  it changes.   If you get in early enough  before it changes, great.  Very tuff to beat todays game.  Almost like damned if you do and damned if you don't.  When you zig it zags.  When you zag it zigs.  Systems,  Nor, Sap, O/R  work if it is consistent.  Today  that is not as reliable as it used to be.  It works if you jump on it quickly early on it before it will shift    and leave table  10 units or 1 unit not keep playing  and lose to the shift.   Maybe today,  the most reliable and best way to play is play huge money like $5,000 bet,  you are up 1 unit  go home  next day same thing    This way can make 1 unit a day or $5,000 a day.   But, honestly,  I don't know anymore.  

One thing Ellis said that is true is that no bias is a bias in itself

Such was the foundation of MDB+

I remember reading one of way2fasts posts where he questioned the use of the word 'random'

Really random shoe is a word used to describe a shoe that someone does not understand

Maybe one does not have the tools or variables to analyse a shoe and pick a bias that can be taken advantage of.

If you are a beginner then maybe all you can see and understand is ZZ runs and Straight runs - then you will call any shoe which does not contain lots of straight runs or ZZ runs 'random' or 'unbeatable'

If you know OTBL as well then all of a sudden many shoes are not random anymore they can be recognised and beaten.

And it goes deeper and deeper

That's why you must work every day on your game and ask yourself what did I not see, how could I have done it better?

I question whether games today are any less beatable than in the past, biases are always constantly moving

Maybe there is some truth to it with shuffle technology, maybe the runs are shorter than they used to be.

But to the trained eye there is no such thing as random you just need to keep working and a shoe you found difficult today you will look at in 6 months and it wont be so hard.

 

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And if you use negative progressions you could be in more trouble than a tight rope walker in a wind storm!

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Gambling is a bit like running a nuclear reactor

Cheap power and energy when its running right.

But keep a close eye on things and make sure its balanced as if you get it wrong you are in for a disaster!

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As long as you are still giving those casinos hell who cares hey ?

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Hi Oz good to see you are still kicking!

[Ellis MvD principles]

ever heard of the fairy tale The Emporors Clothes or something?

A pair of con men tell the Emporor they will make him a suit like none other - it will fascinating

so he pays them heaps of money and finally they tell him there's a gimmick. Only a fool can't see it

to embarrassed to say anything the Emporor parades down the street

finally a kid yells out 'why is he walking round in the nude?!'

if you think you have just bought or learned the ultimate strategy or system be sure you've tested it first and it's the real deal or like the Emporor you might look in the mirror and realise your standing there in your birthday suit !!

better knit your own suit. It might not be a real head turner but at least it will serve its purpose !