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Hi Way2fast, I hope things went well for you in Vegas. The next time you are in Vegas I want to try and get down there to meet up with you. The last time I was in Vegas I was at a station casino and did get a chance to drop by ARIA and I noticed that at there BAC tables they have one person dressed in a suit at each table just standing there breathing down your neck. Do you ever feel annoyed of that? I know we are not cheating but considering it is a higher end casino they stare at you like you just robbed them before you even sat down. Station casino are more layed back and spacey. I know norm would play there from his previous posts. Morongo casino at least there is one pitboss or 2 max for all there bac tables..

Hi Ellis, I like your comment.. I don't know how they came up with the name "Baccarat" Just listening to the table, they should call it "Oh Shit"! That should be a signature.. As far as the couple modifications way2fast uses yes I do believe it is useful because playing just on the MDB+ triggers alone even in a random SAP count do not always work out good with numerous loss progressions.

Hi Pando, That's great its working out with you. You see that's why I have been asking way2fast regarding how he looks at the triggers then just playing the triggers... I think way2fast has the key to all this because not only has he been a member for some time now he is actually out there putting in work playing MDB+.. You can just go up to a tote board and look for triggers but its not as easy as that even if its close to random for ideal MDB+ play.. Way2fast looks for certain events to happen in order to play certain triggers.. That's the key.. If way2fast can tell us all the things he looks for when playing MDB+ that will help us all.. So far he mentions that he would not play a 3 iar going to a 4 if its at the 3rd column is believe and he will not play 2 iar going to 3 until he see's the first 3.. Very important information here..

Do you walk from table to table and if you see a trigger you play it or do you stick to one table at a time for the duration of the shoe?

Thanks way2fast.. When would you have a signal not to play 2 iar going to 3 ?? Reason why I am asking because I have seen were there are ton's of 2 iar but you don't know if its going to continue that way until the shoe plays out. Also I have seen it were there would be lots of 1.2,3 but never a 3 going to 4 but there would be numerous 3 iar.. I also forgot to mention do you walk around from table to table and when you see an opportunity you make the bet or do you stick to one table through the shoe until it ends? I didn't know you are a golf player. I hope you win the JACKPOT !!

Hi Way2fast, I will most likely be in Vegas March 27,28 and 29th . Let me know how things go. I would really like to meet up with you so learn more since you have been a member since 2011. When you see a trigger do you play if the triggers are iar or can then be spread out like 21112 and bet 2 will become a 3 or do the triggers need to be one after the other? Thanks a million

I hope everyone has a safe Merry Christmas and Happy New Years !!

Maybe he will surprise us for Christmas !!

Hi Way2fast, Wouldn't this be a lost progression with MDB+ since it did not finish? 22122 The last 2 did not go to three so it would have list a second progression correct or do you stop betting MDB+ after what hand number? Can you play each one of the MDB+ signals for us. Please indicate which ones are the signals and the one you bet on. Thanks a million

kachatz1, Ellis should be around for a long time to come. People have them ups and downs but he will be here with us..

Hi Way2fast, What you are explaining is almost exactly what I have been dealing with at the local casino here in Socal. Touch cards come in boxes and the no touch have that machine like you stated however I am not sure if it was you that mentioned about how they take the boxed cards to the back room and shuffle them there. I am not sure if AC does the same thing but I do see a pattern of what you went through also the issue with failing progression. That is great you had a large enough bankroll to ride the storm. I see you have certain signals you use when you play MDB+ and I am not talking about the MDB+ rules of what to bet but what you need to see first before betting. Like you mentioned you never play 1 stays 1 if you see a 1,2 chop pattern.. Do you have other rules for when 2's go to 3's or 2 stay 2's after to 3's? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I think you have tweaked MDB+ a little and I would really like to have this information.. Thanks a million P.S. Ellis his buddy how is the NORM system coming along? Can't wait for the rules on that !!

Hi Ellis, I hope things are going ok with the NB 2Hi setup. Hopefully the rules will be posted soon.. Thanks

Hi Ellis, I think it would be great if we call it the NORM system. Hopefully it will be just one setup and that's what you were trying to do with Ultimate NB and NB1-2 and trying to combine them. Keeping the risk down and being able to play any type of shoe is a winning combination. NORM always stated not to risk to many units on one bet.. Even with a U1D2 can be devastating. Just imagine going up to a 6 bet and win then down to a 4 bet to lose the next 3 bets and get wiped out.

Hi Golfgirl, I believe they have a webinar that you can register that goes over SAP and net betting. That may be the best thing. There are a couple threads that explain more about net betting. Look under the thread Ultimate NB and Ellis goes over some of the NB there.. Also I believe Keith has a video some were for basic NB and its available to purchase. I hope this helps..

Thanks a million Ellis... I just got back from the casino and I tried playing MVSeahog way of playing which is the simple system with a 1-2-3 max bet then hold for one win then resume at 1 and I noticed back to back loses of 10 units.. When you have to many switches in a shoe. I have seen OTB4L and then to a long steak then go back to otb4l then immediately back to a streak within a few bets of each other and then can knock you down on a 1-2-3 progression. This is just what I am experiencing. I can tell you the way MVseadog has the modification is good with the exception there isn't numerous switches within a short time frame because with each switch your having a 1-2-3 loss.. Just one set of 1-2-3 losses is 6 units down with a 10 unit stop loss...

Hi Ellis, Can't wait until you release the rules. I think what most players are experiencing is the switch and getting caught in a progression especially with the switches are back to back..

Hi MVseahog, Is Ellis going on your base of play using the simple system. So is he going to use the 2Hi instead of the 123 you use or is he using a different setup? Thanks a million

Has anyone heard from kphawaii?? I would like to see how the MDB play went.

That's great that gives more money to the players who do know how to play

Hi Tigerwho83, I am a member of both NOR and MDB+ since June and I can tell you for the cost it is penny's versus the amount of quality learning from the best Bac and BJ player in the world. I would highly suggest you join both NOR and MDB+ like I did and I am still learning more everyday to fine turn my skills. Ellis responds to all my posts and is amazing. Hope to see you in the forum... Best of luck

Hi everyone I have been studing NOR and also took the Bootcamp. I noticed since NOR came out there has been many enhancements to NOR. It seems like 4D and million dollar bac are the latest out. I have been going through all the 4D and trying to understand how to setup the score card the right way and know when to bet but from all the posts its very confusing. If anyone would be kind enough to help me out that would be great. Maybe some sample shoes played and also an explanation of how to fill out the card correctly. Thanks a million James

Hi Gman72, I did see your post however I have been trying to find out how to insert those numbers to bring up those pages. From what I see there are threads and there are posts within threads. So at least for me its confusing on how to bring those pages up. If you can shed some light on that I can get to reading all that.. Thanks a million

Thanks for the great feedback. I just signed up for the forum today and was looking into the boot camp.

My name is James from Los Angeles I just joined the forum today and I have been spending time going through the threads trying to absorb all that I can. I have read through the NOR manual a couple times however I am stuck on how to score to know exactly what what system to play at any given time. Also I was trying to obtain access to the more updated NOR+ but cant seem to find any manual on that. If anyone would be kind enough to point me in the right direction so I can learn the proper way and practice and practice at home until I am really good at it before I play for real money. I will not waste any members time if you are willing to help me. I want to do things right the first time. I found out that if you signed up for the NOR boot camp you can get credit towards the NOR and Forum access which I had no idea. If you have any videos ect that would be great. I did watch the few videos on youtube with Ellis explaining the OTB4L setup. I would like to be able to score the right way and determine which system to execute correctly. Thanks for all your time..