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I am new here. I am also exploring ways to win in this game.

S40 - Is this system trustable and involve counting cards or just look at trends.

I do not use any progression just flat bet , is this system suitable for me?

Just trends. When we speak of counts we are not talking about BJ type card counting. We are talking simple stuff like opposites vs repeats or 2s vs 3 or mores - simple stuff. You learn 3 simple systems and how to apply the right system to the right shoe. Our progressions are very shallow never going more than 5 units but flat betting is viable and several members only flat bet. How much you bet is totally up to your own comfort level. The main thing is to win more hands than you lose by selecting the right system for the shoe at hand.

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Just trends. When we speak of counts we are not talking about BJ type card counting. We are talking simple stuff like opposites vs repeats or 2s vs 3 or mores - simple stuff. You learn 3 simple systems and how to apply the right system to the right shoe. Our progressions are very shallow never going more than 5 units but flat betting is viable and several members only flat bet. How much you bet is totally up to your own comfort level. The main thing is to win more hands than you lose by selecting the right system for the shoe at hand.

Ellis, please, did you just not say or intimate in "Attention Ellis" post that flat bet is not viable unless you discover certaiin "triggers" in individual casinos as per Paul Starr? Seriously, you have consistently ridiculed me for, well, a long time (Aegis, too) for advocating the viability of flat betting and now. . .???

Yes, you do have to win more hands then lose in flat bet - that's academic and also have to overcome the juice. Also academic.

Is flat betting really harder then progressions? We still have to win more of the big bets than small bets and overcome the juice. It's simple really, for every bet that you lose in a progression you have to make another bet that is bigger than that losing bet to make a profit and pay the juice!

Yeah, progressions can win more shoes but not necessarily a greater % of dollars bet.

Jimske

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I am new here. I am also exploring ways to win in this game.

S40 - Is this system trustable and involve counting cards or just look at trends.

I do not use any progression just flat bet , is this system suitable for me?

To the poiint of S40A. It is my opinion that it is best to have a guideline method to play with and S40A is as good as any. BUT - it DOES NOT perfrom any better than Ellis' previous dozen methods when played by the strict rules. Every method needs to be adjusted according to the shoe conditions. How? You guess the trend and change the bet pattern and hope you win and use MM and discipline to stay ahead.

Jimske

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Ellis, please, did you just not say or intimate in "Attention Ellis" post that flat bet is not viable unless you discover certaiin "triggers" in individual casinos as per Paul Starr? Seriously, you have consistently ridiculed me for, well, a long time (Aegis, too) for advocating the viability of flat betting and now. . .???

Yes, you do have to win more hands then lose in flat bet - that's academic and also have to overcome the juice. Also academic.

Is flat betting really harder then progressions? We still have to win more of the big bets than small bets and overcome the juice. It's simple really, for every bet that you lose in a progression you have to make another bet that is bigger than that losing bet to make a profit and pay the juice!

Yeah, progressions can win more shoes but not necessarily a greater % of dollars bet.

Jimske

No Jim, that's not what I said at all. I merely asked what the bet triggers were. The rest, you made up. I have nothing against flat betting. I merely pointed out the advantages and disadvantages. If you like flat betting, have at it.

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To the poiint of S40A. It is my opinion that it is best to have a guideline method to play with and S40A is as good as any. BUT - it DOES NOT perfrom any better than Ellis' previous dozen methods when played by the strict rules. Every method needs to be adjusted according to the shoe conditions. How? You guess the trend and change the bet pattern and hope you win and use MM and discipline to stay ahead.

Jimske

Jim here is not a private member, was never a private member and never will be a private member. He knows nothing of S40A except what he stole W/O paying.

Keith, this guy is not only a jerk but a crook to boot. Ban his whole IP. He's just a trouble maker with no redeeming value.

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Is S40A included if you buy S40? ALso I bought a system from Ellis a long time ago called the "Asian" which worked real well with choppy shoes with 1-2 neg progression. I could usually win 6-7 units per shoe except in streaky shoes but many times I would bail myself out by just betting on the streak. Isn't this basically the same thing? That is, bet on a randon chop until the shoe proves otherwise then bet on repeats.....

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