Niagara time before last

[Guest CarlosM]

Hey guys. This shoe is from the same Fallsview Casino. This time, taken from the high limit room big bac table hand shuffled shoe. This table was $200 min and $15,000 table max bets. I played this shoe OTB4L both with and without the (+\-) enhancements. I also played this shoe with F system. Then I replayed it at home again the with the old fashioned THE TIME BEFORE LAST system using a 1U\2D with a 1234,etc prog. I have not yet tried it with a 3.4.5, etc Prog. The time before last did best with this shoe. Should we still consider using this very old system when a shoe SCREAMS it's name? Here is the shoe:

BBBBB P B PPPP B P BB PP BBB.

PPPPP BB P BB PPPP B P B PPP.

B P BBBB PPP B P B P BB P BBBB.

BBB (that's 7 Banks) PPPP B PP BB P B.

Or the other format,

B: 5.1.1.4.1.1.2.2.3.

P: 5.2.1.2.4.1.1.1.3.

B: 1.1.4.3.1.1.1.1.2.1.4.

B: 3(continuation from the preveous 4 banks making it 7 banks)

Re: B: 3.4.1.2.2.1.1.

[Norm A]

What scores did you get with the different systems ?

Thanks

[Guest]

Well there are times when TB4L does well particularly when you have very long runs both straight and ZZ. But TB4L hates 2s, particularly TTs. That is why we don't use it much. You can't have a winning system that loses to the TT's and you have a 222 already in the first col starting at play 14. You lose 5 bets in a row early in the shoe, too early.

Shoes starting with a 5 are always tough. While we generally think of S40 as a chop system, we need to remember that S40 M2 loves 5s and likes 4s and can beat 7s as well as loving chop. This shoe has a lot of chop mixed in with short runs that S40 likes. S40 doesn't like straight runs following straight runs so we have trouble with the 5 that starts col 2 but follows a 3. But U1D2 again wades through the trouble with a low point of -7 with a highest bet of 6, once and hits +17. This shoe was not that streaky. Note that the OR count was 0 when the 7 started.

TB4L does fine hitting +19 if you survive the first column and ignore your -8 at play 22. Again U1D2 wades through a lot of crap giving you a highest bet of 6 twice. Also, you likely would have quit early when you hit +22 the second time.

This shows you that U1D2 can withstand several 6 bets and even a 7. It can even withstand an 8 bet most of the time. I think U1D2 is the strongest betting strategy there is and you can always base at 2 in a good shoe. This shoe gets to a high of 28 basing at 2. But it is not what I would call a great shoe.

Edited January 4, 2013 by Guest

[Guest CarlosM]

Thanks Ellis. As always, awsome. Yes, U1/D2 is amazing for sure!!! We always miss you when you are not here. Don't leave. Stay!

[jerryczy]

I think for the streaky shoe with equal strength, RD is a good choice:

[Guest]

I think for the streaky shoe with equal strength, RD is a good choice:

You definitely get the prize for this shoe Jerry and with sound reasoning.

Of course I was trying to stick to NOR but NOR isn't always best.

On a personal note, I think I have finished all my medical tests but I never know for sure with this surgeon.

So now he has to decide if he thinks he can fix me up and tell me how. It will take several surgeries. At least one is very high risk. Then I have to decide if I really want to take that chance. We'll see. As is, I'm getting pretty tired of hospitals. I think all doctors should be required to be a patient in their own hospitals for a spell. It's about the most dehumanizing experience you can go through.

Edited January 5, 2013 by Guest

[MVSeahog]

I think for the streaky shoe with equal strength, RD is a good choice:

Wow. Nice call on the RD1 play.

MVS

[Guest]

Wow. Nice call on the RD1 play.

MVS

Right! If you remember, we considered RD1 for inclusion with NOR for that very shoe type but then went with simplicity.

[stevep]

Ellis you have not answered my question on the boot camp thread so here it is again:

Ellis please comment on the following: In your original instructions you stated that in F when you switch sides and lose the first bet you switch back and also change modes. The boot camp manual ignores this. Also it appears that the boot camp manual changes the way to go OTR.

[Guest]

Ellis you have not answered my question on the boot camp thread so here it is again:

Ellis please comment on the following: In your original instructions you stated that in F when you switch sides and lose the first bet you switch back and also change modes. The boot camp manual ignores this. Also it appears that the boot camp manual changes the way to go OTR.

Sorry, I do not look in on the boot camp that often. There is only one way to go OTR.

As to changing back when your initial F OTR bet fails, theoretically it is 50/50. So to decide the issue we checked it over hundreds of shoes. Changing right back worked far more often than staying on the lost bet side. This might be because we are so often playing strong side shoes with F.