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HI Ellis today i got hit with this shoe( cards are from shuffle mach!) and some of banker paying half price. What's do u think?

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What is "some of banker paying half price" ????????

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What is "some of banker paying half price" ????????

Norm, That is so called "no commission" baccarat. Instead of paying commission, when you bet on Bank and Bank wins with 3 cards (fairly rare) they only pay you half your bet. It makes games go much faster since the dealer doesn't have to track commission for everybody. I like it mostly because it goes so fast. And there are a lot of shoes where banker never wins with 3 cards when you are bet on bank so you often end up paying no commission at all.

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HI Ellis today i got hit with this shoe( cards are from shuffle mach!) and some of banker paying half price. What's do u think?

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"Got hit with"? That is a shoe from heaven, Kong.

First, if you decided to play NOR+ OTB4LM3 and you bet U1D1M2 what happens is you arrive at +39 at play 35 and you lose a 1 bet. I would quit right there with +38. Just as when my goal is 20 and I get to 19 and lose a 1, I quit at +18. I'm not superstitious but it is incredible how often a shoe goes to hell one unit shy of your goal.

BUT!

Don't forget that NOR+ also includes S40 and you'll end up playing S40 about 35% of the time. Now unlike OTB4L, with S40 I always start in Mode 2 for the simple reason that there are ALWAYS 4iars in every shoe and you need Mode 2 to beat them. The beginning 5 ZZ is screaming S40 at you. It is a perfect S40M2 shoe. Played the normal U1D2 it scores an amazing +36! Played U1D1 M2 (mandatory 2) it scores +48.

Now, I told you that the 20+ iars have dissappeared from the face of the Earth because casinos lose their shirts to them. But I also told you that because casinos strongly favor OTB4L shoes that you will still see TT runs (PP BB PP) go 20 or more plays. Your's goes 25 plays! Now if that doesn't prove to you guys that casinos favor OTB4L, nothing ever will. When is the last time you saw a ST or ZZ run go 25 plays?

Oh, that reminds me, Norm, I think those guys were joshing you a little. The world record for a Bank run is 27.

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"Got hit with"? That is a shoe from heaven, Kong.

First, if you decided to play NOR+ OTB4LM3 and you bet U1D1M2 what happens is you arrive at +39 at play 35 and you lose a 1 bet. I would quit right there with +38. Just as when my goal is 20 and I get to 19 and lose a 1, I quit at +18. I'm not superstitious but it is incredible how often a shoe goes to hell one unit shy of your goal.

BUT!

Don't forget that NOR+ also includes S40 and you'll end up playing S40 about 35% of the time. Now unlike OTB4L, with S40 I always start in Mode 2 for the simple reason that there are ALWAYS 4iars in every shoe and you need Mode 2 to beat them. The beginning 5 ZZ is screaming S40 at you. It is a perfect S40M2 shoe. Played the normal U1D2 it scores an amazing +36! Played U1D1 M2 (mandatory 2) it scores +48.

Now, I told you that the 20+ iars have dissappeared from the face of the Earth because casinos lose their shirts to them. But I also told you that because casinos strongly favor OTB4L shoes that you will still see TT runs (PP BB PP) go 20 or more plays. Your's goes 25 plays! Now if that doesn't prove to you guys that casinos favor OTB4L, nothing ever will. When is the last time you saw a ST or ZZ run go 25 plays?

Oh, that reminds me, Norm, I think those guys were joshing you a little. The world record for a Bank run is 27.

Ellis, I must be missing something, could you please show me where there are 25 TT plays, I don't even see one TT (PP BB PP ) in this shoe or am I going crazy !!!!

NormA

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I still dont get it how u win +39. So did u stay OTR only 1 or untill the end? If u dont mind could u show me play by play please.And btw 2 weeks ago i saw 23 players in a row!

Hi kingkong,

I also don't get it.

The attachment is the shoe on a score card, could you please let me know if I got correct kingkong shoe.pdf

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Hi MVS,

I don't think you are see this correctly, if you go to post 7 you will see a attachment that posted, kingkong verified that the score that I posted is correct.

NormA

Aha! I stand corrected. Can't believe I misread the original post to make the gaff of mistaking 11 Banks for a ZZ run of 11.

That changes things around and I'll play it again tomorrow.

For those of you wondering what we're talking about, I had posted up a message playing the shoe in question but mistakenly transcribed the 11 Banks in a row as a ZZ run of 11. Obviously it had to be deleted to keep the confusion to a minimum!!

MVS

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Sorry guys. I thought Kong meant 11 2's. On a long straight run that I hit in Mode 3, the run itself changes you to mode 2 so you go back on the run after 2 losses. AT that point you might as well stay on the run until you lose. So did anybody play it?

That is what happens when you shortcut our shortcut!

Hey Kong, that was a nice job of shoe posting BTW. I mean your second attempt.

At least MVS got it wrong too, just a different wrong.

Gee, now the shoe is even weirder!

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Now I see why Kong put the 11 in ( ) to distinguish it from a 1,1. So the corrected shoe scores +30 played S40 Mode 2. And I guess it was Norm who posted the shoe. Anyway, good job!

So on the 11 B iar, you are in mode 2 so your 3 and 1 bets are OTR. then you lose another 1,2 so your 3111 go OTR. You lose the 1 bet under the 11 so you repeat the 1 on B and lose another 1,2 and go 3,1 OTR. The rest is standard S40 and if you started at play 2 you score +30 quiting at the 2nd to last play because you are at an even +30.

See ztomsk, long runs are nothing to fear if you play them right.

Kong, had you put it (11B) I think we all would have got the shoe right. When you put 2 (11) I think you mean 11 2s. Sorry about that but it is still a great S40 shoe with 17 1's in only 67 plays. But the total lack of 3s makes it a great S40 M2 shoe.

S40 M1 would have scored even higher but I don't use M1 with S40. M2 is good enough.

This shoe points to the discussion of staying on all runs or going by your manual - 2 bets for mode 2 and 1 bet for mode 3. Yes, you guys are going to do a little better on the 11 iar. But I'm going to beat you on all the 5s and 6s. And there are a hell of a lot more of those than there are 11s. But to each his own.

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Thank u Ellis now i got it but the problem was i started the shoe with OTB4L M3...and i dont know when to switch to S40(ex;after we lose our 3bets?). could u explain more when some kind of this shoes happen! I always start at play 2 like u do also...

High 1's is always S40. You should switch right after the 3rd 1. But also it is unlikely this shoe came out of thin air. The prior shoe the same color might well have put you S40 right at the beginning. You are going to end up playing S40 about 35 to 40% of the time so you need to be on the lookout fot it at EVERY shoe start and even before that. Don't be afraid of S40. It hardly ever loses in high or even just normal 1's. And it handles long straight runs just fine. And it likes 2s and wins every bet in ZZ runs and likes TT runs. 3s are OK but they throw you into Mode 3. S40 got it's name by winning 40 shoes in a row.

Starting at play 2 you have to be especially on the lookout for S40 shoes.

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HI Ellis today i got hit with this shoe( cards are from shuffle mach!) and some of banker paying half price. What's do u think?

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Am I missing something here? How can there be a problem beating a shoe with no 3's in it? Even if you stumble at the beginning you have to do well. How you play it will only determine how profitable it will be.

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Am I missing something here? How can there be a problem beating a shoe with no 3's in it? Even if you stumble at the beginning you have to do well. How you play it will only determine how profitable it will be.

Exactly right Baccarat A! You are going to win it no matter which system you use. S40M2 U1D2 did +30, no problem. S40M2 U1D1M2 will score even higher but we beat this shoe no matter how we play it. F3 also kills it. I'm just saying that a shoe starting with 4 1's is screaming S40 at you loud and clear.

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