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Dear Mr Ellis,

I am Jeremy, from Singapore, I came across beatthecasino.com by chance and after 30mins of consideration, I decided that I wanted to learn from you and the correct way of playing Baccarat, as over the years you have accumulated a wealth of knowledge in Baccarat thus I bought the NOR manual.

I have been going to the Casino in Singapore for about a month and have always place bets based on the boards (Bead Road, Big Eye, Small Road and the Cockroach) but it was quite accurate at times and some times it was way off.

I read through the NOR manual but being a newbie, all the baccarat language, systems and modes are too complex for me. I can't understand and decipher what is in the NOR manual, and do not know in what circumstances and Situations should I apply which strategy.

I want to learn the basics which teaches me what are all the Baccarat Terms mean and sample of shoes where I can see and learn at which part of the shoe should I apply what strategy.

I really hope you can enlighten all my queries and where I can really put all that I have learn into practice, well like the saying goes Practice makes Perfect.

Thank you so much Mr Ellis.

Yours Sincerely,

Jeremy

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First, relax Jeremy. You are among friends now. Every member of this forum went through the same learning curve you are going through right now. At first, everything sounds Greek to you even though your English is excellent.

The first difference is that we use a vertical scorecard where you are used to a horizontal scorecard. This looks very complex when you first see it just as your horizontal scorecard may look mysterious to some of us. But both are just as simple as the other once you get used to them.

There are plenty of games posted on the NOR thread and other threads. Just find a game and study the scorecard until you at least understand it enough to ask questions.

But that is key starting out. Ask questions. There is no such thing as a dumb question on this forum and everyone is more than happy to answer them because they all remember when they were going through the same thing you are right now.

It won't be long before you are right in there with the rest of us.

Yes, we have a lot of terms that you know under different names. Just ask. Everyone here likes to help.

Also, it won't be long before you meet other Singapore members and have friends to play with.

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Thanks Mr Ellis will heed your advice and study the games thoroughly. Will seek everyone's advice when needed to!

And the need will arise! No doubt! Understand, you are not in this alone. We are all here to help and we are bound and determined to make you a winning player - just like us - no matter what it takes. Understand?

Hey, we don't care about nationalities or languages here. Here, and perhaps no place else, we are all equal. We are all here for the same reason - let's beat the bastards!

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I found F2 in this list. Now, can anyone tell me what F2,3 means to a NOR player ?

Thanks in advance,

Wendel, it is clearly defined in your NOR manual. Do You have one? I can't tell by your avatar and I don't want to call Keith at 3 am. If not, I'm pretty sure there is a good discount for our BJ members. But you can't learn NOR w/O a manual. But then, once you are on the private Bac forum (included with your NOR manual) you'll find NOR+ well explained. And there is also much current detailed discussion on the ins and outs of F2 and F3. You can learn the whole thing from that one thread.

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Wendel, it is clearly defined in your NOR manual. Do You have one? I can't tell by your avatar and I don't want to call Keith at 3 am. If not, I'm pretty sure there is a good discount for our BJ members. But you can't learn NOR w/O a manual. But then, once you are on the private Bac forum (included with your NOR manual) you'll find NOR+ well explained. And there is also much current detailed discussion on the ins and outs of F2 and F3. You can learn the whole thing from that one thread.

Hi Ellis,

Yes, I have a NOR manual. I have read the part about SYSTEM F. The recent copy of the manual I received makes no reference

to F2,3. I have come across this acronym several times in the NOR forum and have had it in the back of my mind hoping to

come across a reference that would clarify it. I have also the impression that some people like to Start SYSTEM F in a particular

mode, so I thought it might mean some thing different

so, I will just assume that F2,3 is just a synonym for F.

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Hi Ellis,

Yes, I have a NOR manual. I have read the part about SYSTEM F. The recent copy of the manual I received makes no reference

to F2,3. I have come across this acronym several times in the NOR forum and have had it in the back of my mind hoping to

come across a reference that would clarify it. I have also the impression that some people like to Start SYSTEM F in a particular

mode, so I thought it might mean some thing different

so, I will just assume that F2,3 is just a synonym for F.

OK Wendel, excellent!

F2 merely means F Mode 2 - Switch sides after 2 losing bets (after a 2 iar (in a row) on the other side.

F3 means F Mode 3 - switch sides after 3 losing bets (after a 3iar on the other sides)

F2&3 are just shorter abbreviations of F Mode 2 and F Mode 3

When starting with F in the blind, we usually start with F2 until it proves wrong.

We play F2 when on the other side there are more 3+s (3 or mores) than 2s

We play F3 when there are more 2s on the other side

Recognize that it is common to be playing one mode on one side and the other mode on the other side.

Now, have you found that recent thread on F? That is a more understandable explanation than your manual. If you can't find it let us know and Oz will direct you to it.

Oh, and BTW, welcome to the Bac Forum!

Where are you located anyway? That helps me give you accurate advice.

And FYI, over 30 years I've had far more BJ players go to Bac than Bac players go to BJ. I think that may be because while a competent NBJ player can win more money, there is a LOT more to learn studying BJ than there is learning Bac.

But the players who win the MOST money are those who know BOTH games thoroughly. When conditions are bad for one they are often good for the other. Lately, at least in the US, conditions have been good for both.

But many a BJ would be can't master the 500 plays of Basic Strategy. And with Bac there is really nothing to memorize.

Both games and both methods are just plain common sense but it takes a lot of study to appreciate that in either game.

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Thanks for the clarification Ellis. it is much appreciated.

I don't think I have seen Oz's thread on system F yet. I will hunt it

down . Right now i am reading your NOR Approach thread (more than once) and it

is great.

The blackjack here is almost unplayable because there is almost no table selection,

The bacccarat is not much better (2 tables), but at least the games are not affected by

players getting in and out. I think that the baccarat is playable early in the day.

I don't know how often they change the baccarat cards, but it is beginning to look like weekly.

BTW, it is nice , but not necessary to have my questions addressed at 2:00 a.m.

Thanks again.

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Thanks for the clarification Ellis. it is much appreciated.

BTW, it is nice , but not necessary to have my questions addressed at 2:00 a.m.

Thanks again.

You notice stuff! No wonder you noted that Bac table was an F table.

Yep, I keep very strange hours!

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Thanks for the clarification Ellis. it is much appreciated.

I don't think I have seen Oz's thread on system F yet. I will hunt it

down . Right now i am reading your NOR Approach thread (more than once) and it

is great.

The blackjack here is almost unplayable because there is almost no table selection,

The bacccarat is not much better (2 tables), but at least the games are not affected by

players getting in and out. I think that the baccarat is playable early in the day.

I don't know how often they change the baccarat cards, but it is beginning to look like weekly.

BTW, it is nice , but not necessary to have my questions addressed at 2:00 a.m.

Thanks again.

Hey mate...Here is the link to the thread Ellis was talking about ... http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7413 ... It's not that easy to find because it started out on a different topic...but it is well worth studying... not just because of the detailed explanation of F2 and F3...There are some good tips on here from Ellis and others.

Good luck

Oz

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Hey mate...Here is the link to the thread Ellis was talking about ... http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7413 ... It's not that easy to find because it started out on a different topic...but it is well worth studying... not just because of the detailed explanation of F2 and F3...There are some good tips on here from Ellis and others.

Good luck

Oz

Hi Oz,

Thanks for the thread, I have read it and found it helpful. I have placed it in my "Index" for future reference as well.

The amount of good information on this forum seems staggering . It seems that every thread I start points me

at a new direction and to keep track of it all is quite a challenge.

Wendell

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