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Hi,

First, I would like to say I enjoy reading the forum so far. I have also read the NOR manual back and forth a few times. I am planning to go to the casino to perform paper betting practice (record the play and the bet I would make by using the NOR system) soon. If things are going go, I may play a couple shoes. I just want to practice to build my confidence as well as the intuition to select the appropriate system for the shoe.

The question I have is regarding U1D2 M2. Let say the progression I am using is 123 4.

In this case, if I lose 1, I would up 1 and got to 2. If I lose the 2, I would up 1 and go to 3. If I win 3, I would go down 2 and bet 1.

What about the M2. I know is mandatory 2. But don't quite get it. The NOR manual mention it. But don't have an explanation and a betting sequence example.

Would someone explain and put in a couple example. Thank you and keep up the forum.

Dreamer

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Hi,

First, I would like to say I enjoy reading the forum so far. I have also read the NOR manual back and forth a few times. I am planning to go to the casino to perform paper betting practice (record the play and the bet I would make by using the NOR system) soon. If things are going go, I may play a couple shoes. I just want to practice to build my confidence as well as the intuition to select the appropriate system for the shoe.

The question I have is regarding U1D2 M2. Let say the progression I am using is 123 4.

In this case, if I lose 1, I would up 1 and got to 2. If I lose the 2, I would up 1 and go to 3. If I win 3, I would go down 2 and bet 1.

What about the M2. I know is mandatory 2. But don't quite get it. The NOR manual mention it. But don't have an explanation and a betting sequence example.

Would someone explain and put in a couple example. Thank you and keep up the forum.

Dreamer

Firstly...the U1D2 M2 progression is not usually limited by your 4 bet...

Mandatory 2 simply means that whenever you make a 1 bet ..win or lose ...your next bet in your progression is 2 ...if you lose your 1 bet then you would be continuing your progression as normal anyway...M2 only really comes into play if you win your 1 bet

The M2 option should probably be kept in reserve until you are more confident in your play and in the shoe you are playing

Oz

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Hi,

First, I would like to say I enjoy reading the forum so far. I have also read the NOR manual back and forth a few times. I am planning to go to the casino to perform paper betting practice (record the play and the bet I would make by using the NOR system) soon. If things are going go, I may play a couple shoes. I just want to practice to build my confidence as well as the intuition to select the appropriate system for the shoe.

The question I have is regarding U1D2 M2. Let say the progression I am using is 123 4.

In this case, if I lose 1, I would up 1 and got to 2. If I lose the 2, I would up 1 and go to 3. If I win 3, I would go down 2 and bet 1.

What about the M2. I know is mandatory 2. But don't quite get it. The NOR manual mention it. But don't have an explanation and a betting sequence example.

Would someone explain and put in a couple example. Thank you and keep up the forum.

Dreamer

This is good! This is the way everyone should start.

There is no way anyone can learn Baccarat by reading their manual a time or two. What happens is that as soon as you lose a bet that the rest of the table won, you lose all confidence and you start going by the rest of the table. That error is usually fatal. In general the rest of the table loses far more than the game odds dictate. But neither can you simply bet against the rest of the table. It takes time to be in a position to confidently bet the right bet. Even then, it won't always be right.

Don't be worrying about Mandatory 2s when you first start. Learn the 123 4 and then U1D2. That will get you into enough trouble first starting out. Yes, eventually you will learn to deploy M2 in your better shoes. But you do not yet know what better shoes look like.

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Ok, if you go with 345 and you are going u1d1m2, how would this work

lets say you win 3 and go to 4 and that loses, do you go to 5?

what happens when you lose the 5? do you go 5 again.

and lets say you lose 3x, 5 5 5, do you bet 5, 5, 5 to recover or do you go 5, 4, 3.

Thanks

I'm not sure I understand where you are coming from...but... U1 simply means that you increase your next bet by 1 unit if you lose and D1 means that reduce your next bet by 1 unit if you win (or reduce your next bet in the event of a win by 2 units if playing U1D2)

"a 3 4 5 progression is not generally an U1D1M2 progression"

My advice for what it's worth..."Don't even consider U1D1M2 until you have mastered NOR+ and you are totally confident in your table selection"

I'm not sure where you got your 3 4 5 progression from...but that has nothing to do with U1D1M2 but as I understand it ...reserved for the occasional shoe where you are having an exceptional hit rate with your first bet...experts only methinks

And in reference to your question about winning your 3 bet and losing your 4 bet...You always decrease your bet after a win unless it was a 1 bet...and increase your bet by 1 unit when you lose

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I'm not sure I understand where you are coming from...but... U1 simply means that you increase your next bet by 1 unit if you lose and D1 means that reduce your next bet by 1 unit if you win (or reduce your next bet in the event of a win by 2 units if playing U1D2)

"a 3 4 5 progression is not generally an U1D1M2 progression"

My advice for what it's worth..."Don't even consider U1D1M2 until you have mastered NOR+ and you are totally confident in your table selection"

I'm not sure where you got your 3 4 5 progression from...but that has nothing to do with U1D1M2 but as I understand it ...reserved for the occasional shoe where you are having an exceptional hit rate with your first bet...experts only methinks

And in reference to your question about winning your 3 bet and losing your 4 bet...You always decrease your bet after a win unless it was a 1 bet...and increase your bet by 1 unit when you lose

Right Oz, you are probably not remembering that the 345 was an important NOR upgrade in a hot shoe. You progress from 123 to 234 to 345. The 345 is also a legal way to play $5 units on a $15 table which are common here.

NOR+ bases with U1D2 and OTB4L and progresses to U1D1 in a hot shoe. With both approaches we need a way to upgrade our betting in a hot shoe to make up for inevitable and multiple cold shoes. Progression upgrades in the right shoes are important to keeping our units per shoe average as high as possibloe but it also require accurate discretion.

And right again, beginners should not yet be considering progression upgrades until they have ALL basics down pat plus some play experience so they know a good shoe from a bad shoe.

BTW, we missed you!

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M2 or Mandatory 2 is a further upgrade for U1D1 in very hot shoes. It means you always bet 2 after 1 whether you win the 1 or not.

BTW, I find hot shoes less common in Vegas since they went to preshuffled cards. Again, preshuffled cards shoulod be illegal everywhere, not just in some states. You have no way to no if all the cards are there which is a fundamental rule in all casino card games. Before about 1993 all casinos were required to spread the cards in boxed card order on the table as soon as no one was playing the table. This stopped "short decking" in BJ - a very common way casinos cheat. Now that the rule has been abandoned short decking has again raised its ugly head. I've caught them short decking in both Vegas and Tunica just in the last two months.

In Baccarat, modern shuffle machines can put the cards in any order the casino wants, which by the way is blatant casino cheating.

The test is "would it be allowed in a Saturday night poker game?" If you put the cards in a specific order every time it was your turn to deal in a Saturday night poker game, you probably wouldn't live to brag about it.

I played a $25 BJ 2 deck shoe one morning last vegas trip. When I arrived at the empty table the cards were ready to deal and I was not offered a cut. I got 22 every single hand and the dealer never broke. Keith, who happened along during the shoe wondered why I was so pissed off and swore at the dealer. This was Harrah's BTW. Such a shoe is totally impossible with properly shuffled cards. After millions of casino BJ shoes over 30+ years, I KNOW! If they object to my reporting their cheating then they should simply stop cheating and I'll stop reporting.

In separate Bac games Keith and I both found their Bac shoes totally unbeatable so we quit playing there altogether - which is what everyone should do!

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