Edgonsal Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 I did pay for the play session, other wise I would'nt have commented.It was an expensive day. IMO you are just trying to defend BTC . I get that.I just think that you came across judge mental and too harsh.No worries - Ellis & Keith are big boys with tough skin.Good luck, Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted November 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 hi edsongal,no hard feelings i hope but i have a question for you.you had a 7 hour Q & A plus a paid lunch [$25 by kieth's wife] did you go away learning anything from the sands clinic?i would like to know,i did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Easy guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgonsal Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 I learned that you can't force OTB4L, no matter how talented you are. The other systems were created for just that reason. I trusted that simply following Ellis would pay for my session. We are all responsible for ourselves in the casino. I enjoyed talking with everyone and getting their take on things. My take on that day is to keep it simple and bet what you see. We are all grown ups here with our own opinions. I think that there seems to be a lot of focus on OTB4L. It does win often but not always...We are on this site to learn from each other and of course the master. Sharing what we know, no matter how we acquired it is why I joined and purchased NOR in the first place. If I do decide to register for the seminar (as you did) I wouldn't mind helping out the other players on this forum who may not have the $$$ to partake. That's just the way I am. I was raised to share and am happy to do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigVic Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 i have invested a lot of money in this bac club.i have been to vegas and i have purchased everything that ellis has developed.also been to sands clinic,gas alone cost me $150.today i looked below and noticed 92 members have read this thread.so why are there only 12 members signed up for saturday?your getting e.clifton davis for 4.5 hours @ $28.88 per hour.are you guys serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i made $1000 bucks @ the sands,if the rest of you out there are only making minimum wage or unemployed and can't afford $130 for this SATURDAY you should not be GAMBLING take your money to church on sunday and say a prayer for yourself! i hope only that those who attend get to read and post about it.i'm sick and tired of the free loaders!any questions.One word....DECAF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted November 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 dear edgonsal,you are entitled to your opinion and it's well taken and well said.i would just like to give you some FREE ADVICE.this is my opinion only,maybe you did not come with enough capital.iwas down about $600 @ one point but i managed a come back.i brought with me over $2000 + why? i was going to a new place and did not know what i was getting myself into.secondly,if you are the guy i think are,i saw another issue with you that maybe you are not aware of,you were standing next to ellis and asking him why and how he was playing what he was playing and taking away his concentration.you were talking and not listening and possibly in everyday life you do the same thing.you have a good heart and willing to help.next,you need a GAME plan A,B C,D, AND ETC.if you noticed my play,i didn't play every hand and i waited until i was i understood the shoe.that's the beauty of bac.you can sit there all day without making a bet.there is no way any of us play the same.ellis and kieth have given us the tools to play any shoe in any casino.your job is to take this info and interpret it to work for yourself.finally you did a good job in scanning the shoes and placing them on this site.just think,if you didn't attend the sands clinic there might not have been shoes to review,including me.can't we all get along and just maybe you will attend tomorrow and i guareenteeeeeeeee you will walk away with something you did not know.thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgonsal Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Thanks RUEBL, I appreciate your advice. I wasn't feeling it that day, so I decided to just chill and try to learn and revamp. I've played this game on and off for six years now and have acquired the discipline to never go back into my pocket for more money unless I'm prepared. (I learned that one the hard way) Keep your emotions in check. I've had my share of big days in the casino, winning over $5000 a day but we all know the other side as well. Consistency wins in the long run and that's why I'm giving NOR a shot because it seems like a very logical approach. I do like to talk a lot but I'm pretty good at listening when something of value is being discussed. I'll definitely concentrate my efforts on listening more now than talking. I live very close to the CT casinos and have spent lots of hours (as of late) tracking and minimal betting while refining my own approach (with the NOR philosophy) to play this game successfully. Good luck to you, Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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