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[Atreyu]

I am interested in the NOR Baccarat system and am wondering if it is based on a progression (ie Martingale)? Is there a sample table of contents available to view for the manual? Does it include chapters on bankroll requirements? I've searched for a detailed review but haven't found much to my satisfaction. To practice, if I were to deal myself shoes at home would this be a realistic way to practice using NOR? I don't want to practice via an online casino.

Also, is there any way to split up payments say over a couple months? Are there any videos that are included with the manual?

Out of all the baccarat systems that are listed in the forum, is NOR the best (read: can it be the most profitable?) I'm willing to put in the work. I've been playing Blackjack (counting cards) for a long time and to get a 0.5% advantage for the bankroll required is very stressful and seems almost not worth it lol

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for any info!

Good Cards!

7779311

[MVSeahog]

I am interested in the NOR Baccarat system and am wondering if it is based on a progression (ie Martingale)?

No.

Is there a sample table of contents available to view for the manual?

Not that I'm aware of but that does sound like a good idea.

Does it include chapters on bankroll requirements?

Yes, as it were.

I've searched for a detailed review but haven't found much to my satisfaction.

You most probably won't, especially "online" as everybody online is an expert and any expert will tell you that baccarat can't be beat so "those guys over at BeatTheCasino" are lying weasels. (I've been called worse!)

To practice, if I were to deal myself shoes at home would this be a realistic way to practice using NOR? I don't want to practice via an online casino.

That's what I do about every other day and I've been here about as long as anybody reading this. 8 decks, the dining room table and the wife out of the house makes for a perfect warm up or practice session!

Also, is there any way to split up payments say over a couple months?

That's something above my pay grade but what most guys have done is just pull back a bit on their casino play and put it towards the course.

Are there any videos that are included with the manual?

Not a video directly about NOR/NOR+ but there are several seminar videos that the guys have made and for the people who attended, they all seem to be in agreement that they were good.

Out of all the baccarat systems that are listed in the forum, is NOR the best (read: can it be the most profitable?) I'm willing to put in the work. I've been playing Blackjack (counting cards) for a long time and to get a 0.5% advantage for the bankroll required is very stressful and seems almost not worth it.

The NOR/NOR+ plays build on a lot of earlier work and once you see "where they came from" it really helps smooth out the learning curve. For guys who have been here several years, they've seen the direction. For people who are relatively new, they wind up learning the older material as it directly relates to the newer material. They're all good, just some are better and choosing which one is the key!!

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for any info!

No problem with the questions. Lots of them and everybody has "new" fever and the questions come pouring out. Luckily we have guys in here who will take the time to answer questions as they see fit and when they really have some time, it gets pretty detailed.

There is a thread running right now that is bringing me up to speed on some things I should already know!!!

You never stop learning, that's for sure.

Good luck with your future decisions.

MVS

[Guest]

7779311, you pay by Paypal and they let you pay in multiple payments.

Our highest bet ever is 6 but many of the guys play NOR 3Hi and some even 2 Hi with good success. It isn't so much about how

much you bet. It is more about how to bet on the right side most of the time. Some NOR players even flat bet successfully. But everyone herte will tell you - it is the best way Baccarat can be played - the best in the whole world. Our guys have tried everything else. We've been doing this for 30+ years. We know what we are doing.

[Atreyu]

Hi E. Clifton Davis,

I think the multiple payment option for PayPal isn't available for my country (Canada) but I would like to split up the payments if this is somehow an option.

To be able to consistently win while betting a maximum of 3 units seems amazing to me. Blackjack requires 1-10 spreads or higher and the bankroll required to get a low ROR is huge. What type of player advantage does NOR achieve? Can it relistically get advantages of 2-3%?

7779311

[Atreyu]

Is there any possibility to get a sample table of contents listing for the nor manual? Also, what exactly is NOR+ and is it included with NOR or is it a seperate purchase?

Thanks,

7779311

[bigcash2002]

7779311,

All good questions...IMO NOR is the best purchase u can make. It is comprehensive and the NOR + is free and easily downloaded in the members forum. Both are great manuals. With that said, as you'll quickly find out....the best advice is from the experienced members in the forum that you can access after you purchase NOR. I hope u dive in !

Good Luck

[MVSeahog]

Is there any possibility to get a sample table of contents listing for the nor manual?

Thanks,

7779311

OK, let me pull some headers from the NOR manual.

Here's the first 20:

1. The Purpose of this manual.

2. What is an approach.

3. The NOR approach to Baccarat on the twelve tenets of baccarat.

4. Twelve steps to winning.

5. Baccarat systems in general

6. The NOR concept.

7. NOR Performance.

8. General.

9. The two NOR modes.

10. The three NOR systems.

11. The three NOR strategies.

12. Overlap.

13. NOR win goals.

14. Baccarat shoe length and stats.

15. Events.

16. NOR score cards.

17. Sequence.

18. BTC shorthand for shoe posting.

19. The three NOR systems.

20. A couple of shoe start pointers.

And that takes us up to page 11 of the NOR manual.

Hope this helps.

MVS

[bluetri]

And page 11 is where the real "meat" of the approach starts...

[Atreyu]

OK, let me pull some headers from the NOR manual.

Here's the first 20:

1. The Purpose of this manual.

2. What is an approach.

3. The NOR approach to Baccarat on the twelve tenets of baccarat.

4. Twelve steps to winning.

5. Baccarat systems in general

6. The NOR concept.

7. NOR Performance.

8. General.

9. The two NOR modes.

10. The three NOR systems.

11. The three NOR strategies.

12. Overlap.

13. NOR win goals.

14. Baccarat shoe length and stats.

15. Events.

16. NOR score cards.

17. Sequence.

18. BTC shorthand for shoe posting.

19. The three NOR systems.

20. A couple of shoe start pointers.

And that takes us up to page 11 of the NOR manual.

Hope this helps.

MVS

MVS,

That's exactly what I was looking for. Thank You!

7779311

[Guest]

MVS,

That's exactly what I was looking for. Thank You!

7779311

Well MVS did a good job on NOR headings. Then, once you have that all down pat, your purchase (tuition)

leads you into NOR+.

Recognize that NOR players are the lowest bettors at the table but usually the biggest winners - often the only winners.

Some of our best players choose to stick with NOR and have achieved envious winning play records over months and even

years of play. I don't know of ANY other consistent winners anywhere else in the world.

But for many, such play is simply too conservative: Thus NOR+:

So we teach you the U1D2 and U1D1M2 progressions, when to deploy them and just as important when NOT to.

These progressions were tested coupled with OTB4L only and achieved a 6% and a 34% respectively PA (ROI) over 10,000

casino shoes. Such an outcome is supposed to be impossible according to the best Mathematicians in the world. They claim

that break even, + commission, is the best outcome possible.

Yet there it is.

How can this be?

Because mathematicians assume RANDOM cards!

Ha, but casinos DON'T! They have to orchestrate a casino edge through card order created by card prep and shuffle technique or

by simply purchasing 8 deck card bundles with card orders arranged to casino specifications.

Proof of this is obvious from the higher than mathematically possible worldwide casino Baccarat profits.

BUT! Such card orders can also be exploited by knowledgeable players.

Casinos leave themselves wide open to exploitation by the few in favor of higher profits from the many.

NOR+ is a more aggressive way of playing NOR yet we are STILL the lowest bettors at the table.

But now our goal is 20 units rather than 10.

You are taught;

more successful game start strategy

more aggressive progressions

riding out rough shoe sections

When why and how to apply Mode 1

and virtually endless tricks of the trade

NOR+ is not for everyone but a given for some

NOW you are REALLY playing the game!

[Guest]

Hi E. Clifton Davis,

I think the multiple payment option for PayPal isn't available for my country (Canada) but I would like to split up the payments if this is somehow an option.

To be able to consistently win while betting a maximum of 3 units seems amazing to me. Blackjack requires 1-10 spreads or higher and the bankroll required to get a low ROR is huge. What type of player advantage does NOR achieve? Can it relistically get advantages of 2-3%?

7779311

Since you appear to be at least somewhat familiar with BJ, I'll reply from a BJ perspective.

BJ card counters spend months, even years of study and practice in an attempt to achieve a 0.5% PA. But alas, as you may have discovered, todays BJ game is rigged against card counters and there are NO card counters today on the positive side of the

"Standard Deviation" long term. In fact, if you want to learn how to exploit casino orchestration in BJ, I would be happy to teach you.

But NOR players scoff at the very idea of a 1/2% PA. We tip more than that.

We are used to double digit PAs.

FOR instance I recently achieved a 26% PA over 6 consecutive shoes at 4 tables in two casinos - all completely recorded and verified

on the ImSpirit blog by their leader Virtuoid who was sitting right beside me and duplicating every play. Virtuoid was out to prove it

impossible to beat Baccarat. But his scheme backfired. But that wasn't my first public exhibition. I have done some 300+. But it was the best recorded of them all and I certainly appreciate Virtuoid's efforts in that regard. I was most happy to disprove his mathematical theories. But the game isn't about Math.

Now, if you will excuse me, I need to prepare for a Webinar on the latest NOR+ technical improvements.

BTW, we have many Canadian members. To make any payment arrangements you want PM

Keith Smith or email Keith@beatthecasino.com. He is in charge of that.