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Hi Gang, I've not asked the group lately...but I was curious to what everyone may be experiencing these days at Foxwoods. I've not played there in 2015. I typically play in the Newport Bac Room (Asian Room)...touch games. Are they using Factory Preshuffled? Or other? What is working best there...MDB+, NOR, etc? Any insight on the best way to play/beat their games would be appreciated. Thanks

Great! Looking forward to learning it and playing online. Also, would love to play together as well too. Hopefully this new system is fairly easy

Good Stuff Ellis, makes sense. I'm looking forward to two possibilities: 1) Many of us play this method online together via Teleconference. 2) We play together in Vegas like this in Stadium Bac where we hit them hard

Ellis- I hate to Bug ya again on this question, as I know you are fighting an eye issue..however, I'm hitting Foxwoods and would like your opinion. Should I play MDB+ and which type netbetting for my companion system? Thanks

Headed back to Foxwoods next week and wanted to revisit this topic. I plan to play the Asian Newport Room Touch Games Pre-shuffled 6 decks in 1 box...as mentioned above. I will use MDB+ as Base as the companion system..we are you guys suggesting the old school/regular Netbetting....or these newer NBetting methods in the more recent threads...2HiNB, Ultimate NB, etc......??

Ellis Based on our newest NBetting threads Would u say the best way to beat the high stakes Foxwoods room is MDB+ combined with Ultimate Net Betting?

Thanks Al and Ellis for the input. I play this place when I travel to both Boston, and Providence for Business.

Hi Team, After all of the great intel we surfaced in the 5dimes.com shoe thread. I was hoping we could try it at other Casinos across that we have experience. I've played all of the Bac tables at Foxwoods over the last year or 2. However, most of my best play was in the Asian Newport Bac room. For those playing already there, I was hoping we could share some intel on the best ways to beat their shoes: 1) I've noticed they used pre-shuffled cards (1 big white box of many decks) 2) Only$100 min tables have a tote board 3) All games are touch games 4) I've played both the 50 and 100 dollar tables, using NOR scorecard with mix results. What is best way to play these at Newport room at Foxwoods? MBD, MDB+, NOR, other, combo play of NB and MDB+???

Thanks Ellis, I agree, we need a thread to gather intel from all of our members. We can determine the best games/online casinos to play, then determine the best way to beat those games. I love the idea of playing online together via phone, with our best players, etc.

Hi Team, I'm considering playing online, Live Dealer at 5dimes.com For those playing already, I was hoping we could share some intel on the best ways to beat their shoes: 1) Are they regular cards (biased shoes) 2) Are they pre-shuffled (random shoes) 3) Other What is best way to play these at 5dimes, MBD, MDB+, NOR, other, combo play of NB and MDB+???

Sorry if I missed it, but for MDB+, do we have a new scorecard? Or are we using the NOR scorecard for the most part?

Given that we have some solid rules now for MDB, and we have a mechanical system to play, I am wondering if we can design a Analyzer that can be used in real-time when playing Live Casino Online Bac? We would have a solid tool to use that eliminates some of the player error that we could use to play nearly perfectly while playing online. Thoughts?

Idea: Should we start two new threads: 1) Casinos we verified using Preshuffled/Fixed cards 2) Casinos we still believe use regular cards Just a thought, we can have the top post fixed/stickied and Ellis can edit it to keep it accurage and the rest of us can post of knowledge of casinos under it

thanks for the clarification Ellis So, in MDB, the playing rules for BaS40, BaOTB4L, and BaS40M1 are the same as NOR S40, S40M1 and OTB4L. The only difference is the Ba means that we play a new betting progression 120123, etc.?

I hope not tjfiles I thought the idea behind +5 is that it can be used successfully at any table, any casino, online/offline, etc. We are working on a system for fixed cards, regular cards, etc. +5 should handle anything

I have a feeling this forum is going to be a great one. I like what I have seen so far. Couple questions: I like the idea that this will work for Pre-Shuffled cards and also requires zero table selection. We really need that. Just curious, will this also work well for those few casinos that still use "regular cards"? Will this work for shoes that have a strong bias?

What is the difference between systems..when i read s40 versus BaS40 and OTB4L and BaOTB4L? I am confused by the "Ba"

This is my limited experience with shuffles at Casinos. I'd love to hear folks interpretation of them and the best way to approach playing them. I'm not sure I understand how these are being referred to on our forum. Below, I've listed what I've seen: 1) Cards that are newly brought to the table at 10:00am and changed every 24 hours. For a 24 hour period the table uses the same cards and they are hand shuffled by the dealer between shoes. I assume most players use NOR on these shoes and that people are starting to use 4D and/or S4D +5 2) Cards that are shuffled by the shufflemaster type of machines between shoes and changed out on a periodic basis How are these played? 3) Pre-shuffled (organized cards) brought to the dealer between shoes. The dealer then hand shuffles these cards and play begins. Is #3 above that people refer to as preshuffled cards? What is the best way to play these?

Ellis Can u please define pre-shuffled? Are you speaking about the cards that come out in 8 deck boxes, that the dealer then shuffles by hand before the game begins?

I don't like bumping my own thread...however, Ellis, others...? Can you please give me your thoughts on this... I am playing Bac the next two days and could use the input

This is my limited experience with shuffles at Casinos. I'd love to hear folks interpretation of them and the best way to approach playing them. I'm not sure I understand how these are being referred to on our forum. Below, I've listed what I've seen: 1) Cards that are newly brought to the table at 10:00am and changed every 24 hours. For a 24 hour period the table uses the same cards and they are hand shuffled by the dealer between shoes. I assume most players use NOR on these shoes and that people are starting to use 4D and/or S4D +5 2) Cards that are shuffled by the shufflemaster type of machines between shoes and changed out on a periodic basis How are these played? 3) Pre-shuffled (organized cards) brought to the dealer between shoes. The dealer then hand shuffles these cards and play begins. Is #3 above that people refer to as preshuffled cards? What is the best way to play these?

Good questions. Here is my stab at answering them for you: 1) NOR is the base system and they one all/most members utilize in some fashion 2) NOR + is a few tweaks on the base system for those a bit more experienced who also prefer a bit more aggressive approach and betting progression to maximize profits on a good shoe 3) 4D is developed, but being re-tooled a bit and also simplified a bit before mass adoption of this system. Everything looks good so far, but it is being fine tuned. This is a graduated system that eliminates the need for table selection, but is only something most players can digest after they have a solid understanding of NOR

These are a great refresher even for those that know the game/system well already

Good question. I don't have the answer like Ellis will. However, I'm wondering if seasoned players like those on this board should also look to find Casino night, events in town and exploit them

Thanks Ellis, I'm just brainstorming. I'm wondering if members might select their favorite Live Dealer online casino Next, use the analyzer as their 4D scorecard and finally have a cheat sheet of 4D system rules and Netbetting tips