Why the +5 strategy can work (and it might be even better to go to +1)

[Ice Cool Sam]

Dear All

I was reading the 30,000 in 30 days and to be honest I am extremely happy that finally logic is taking over emotions.

No doubt that +10's, +20's and so on are possible but when talking about sustainable winning strategy aiming for +5 (or even better +1) could be the best approach.

In my very first emails to Ellis I wrote I would be more than happy if I could get +5 units in a shoe. I know you might say that any/all of the systems in this forum can give you +5 units easily but CONSISTANTLY winning 5 units would be the key to a lifetime weatlh. I just hope we stopped the MILLION DOLLAR motto. It is absolutely possible but only through initial smaller wins.

Unfortunately a lot of us are way too greedy. +5 units can range from 50 dollars to 25000 dollars a day (depending on your unit size.) lets go with a more logical unit size of 50. that's 250 dollars a day. times that by 30 and you get 7000 a month.

In all honesty I don't know how many of you earn 7000 a month? for 12 hour shifts in the scorching 50 degree celsius sun of Pilbara (a mining region in Western Australia I earn less than that. I am thinking once I learn the strategies scanning the tables to find the right shoes and then playing the right shoes to get +5 units shouldn't take more than 5 hours. compare that to 8-12 hour work days that you do in a work environment to earn a salary).

Yes, I understand there might be members here who earn 1/2 million or even more in their day to day jobs but I am talking about Majority of us who are here on this forum.

I don't know about US but in Australia things don't look good at all. Mining has crashed and more and more mining companies are going broke. Major car manufacturers are closing down one after another, farming is being hithard by drought and cheap ORIENTAL imports and manufacturing has taken a hit aswell. So when I say 7000 a month for a lot of OZ's its a large sum.

Also how much education/Training have you had (and how much money have you spent) to earn what you are earning now???

Basically to see how powerfull it can be to be able to achieve +5 units a day divide your NET monthly salary by 150 and you will have your unit size. Now imagine being able to earn that in less than half a day (even after work hours) where ever in the world you are (as long as you have access to B&M casino).

If you want more than all you have to do is to up your unit size as you progress along.

I really hope Ellis and the rest of the team start to work on the +5 Unit System (without needing to mention Million dollar thread or things like that). A simplified method to earn 5 units and leave the casino. a way that can get begginers like me up and running with minimal financial risk. (there are alwys risk associated with any casino game.)

Ellis, as an experienced proffessional player you know a lot better than anyone that less exposure to a table and the casino can be the key to winning consistantly so on behalf of all begginers on this website I would be grateful if you could kindly allocate more of your time on the +5 unit thread with clear simplified instructions.

We are eagerly waiting for the +5 Unit thread.

Sincerely Yours

Sambo

[Quizzical1]

Dear All

I was reading the 30,000 in 30 days and to be honest I am extremely happy that finally logic is taking over emotions.

No doubt that +10's, +20's and so on are possible but when talking about sustainable winning strategy aiming for +5 (or even better +1) could be the best approach.

In my very first emails to Ellis I wrote I would be more than happy if I could get +5 units in a shoe. I know you might say that any/all of the systems in this forum can give you +5 units easily but CONSISTANTLY winning 5 units would be the key to a lifetime weatlh. I just hope we stopped the MILLION DOLLAR motto. It is absolutely possible but only through initial smaller wins.

Unfortunately a lot of us are way too greedy. +5 units can range from 50 dollars to 25000 dollars a day (depending on your unit size.) lets go with a more logical unit size of 50. that's 250 dollars a day. times that by 30 and you get 7000 a month.

In all honesty I don't know how many of you earn 7000 a month? for 12 hour shifts in the scorching 50 degree celsius sun of Pilbara (a mining region in Western Australia I earn less than that. I am thinking once I learn the strategies scanning the tables to find the right shoes and then playing the right shoes to get +5 units shouldn't take more than 5 hours. compare that to 8-12 hour work days that you do in a work environment to earn a salary).

Yes, I understand there might be members here who earn 1/2 million or even more in their day to day jobs but I am talking about Majority of us who are here on this forum.

I don't know about US but in Australia things don't look good at all. Mining has crashed and more and more mining companies are going broke. Major car manufacturers are closing down one after another, farming is being hithard by drought and cheap ORIENTAL imports and manufacturing has taken a hit aswell. So when I say 7000 a month for a lot of OZ's its a large sum.

Also how much education/Training have you had (and how much money have you spent) to earn what you are earning now???

Basically to see how powerfull it can be to be able to achieve +5 units a day divide your NET monthly salary by 150 and you will have your unit size. Now imagine being able to earn that in less than half a day (even after work hours) where ever in the world you are (as long as you have access to B&M casino).

If you want more than all you have to do is to up your unit size as you progress along.

I really hope Ellis and the rest of the team start to work on the +5 Unit System (without needing to mention Million dollar thread or things like that). A simplified method to earn 5 units and leave the casino. a way that can get begginers like me up and running with minimal financial risk. (there are alwys risk associated with any casino game.)

Ellis, as an experienced proffessional player you know a lot better than anyone that less exposure to a table and the casino can be the key to winning consistantly so on behalf of all begginers on this website I would be grateful if you could kindly allocate more of your time on the +5 unit thread with clear simplified instructions.

We are eagerly waiting for the +5 Unit thread.

Sincerely Yours

Sambo

EXACTLY Sambo,

Not sure if you saw my post on in the Simplified 4D thread but here it is again - taken from the Stock Market:

Bulls can make money, Bears can make money, but Pigs get slaughtered.

I'm all for wringing the max profit out of a shoe - if possible. BUT, make sure you get to your MAIN GOAL FIRST - WIN 5 UNITS.

Personally for me, I'd quit. Next option is to drop unit size to "test the waters" a bit and see if my decision to keep going is correct. So, if I was playing black, after a +5 win I'd drop to green and verify the trend I'm seeing is sustainable first. After 4 unit wins at green (+6 total) sure, risk a black. If you win, keep going with black until your 1st loss. if you lose, quit at +5.

Win Goal still achieved either way.

[pipecub]

It would be great if players can win +5 units in a shoe consistently...with jobs automated and declining wages even for professionals, an extra income coming from this will be helpful

[Quizzical1]

It would be great if players can win +5 units in a shoe consistently...with jobs automated and declining wages even for professionals, an extra income coming from this will be helpful

Extra income? Hell, why not your new occupation....;o}

[SteveO]

So as I gather it, we're talking about +5 units per shoe for every shoe and we are not talking about an Average of 5 units per shoe(?).

[Quizzical1]

So as I gather it, we're talking about +5 units per shoe for every shoe and we are not talking about an Average of 5 units per shoe(?).

The GOAL is +5 units per shoe. This comes from the Million Dollar thread plan of, starting at the table min bet, a 5 unit win per shoe for 10 shoes then scale up the betting unit (e.g. $5 to $10) and repeat another 5 unit win per shoe for 10 shoes and so on.....

Again, obviously if you're "bangin' on all cylinders" and winning most of your bets, keep going. But the whole idea was to get to at least a +5.

[LOU30]

The Truth...

EVERY HAND EVER DEALT IN BACCARAT HAS THE ODDS OF 50/50!!!

It will never get better than THAT!

What do we need?

The best Baccarat Method in the world?

To date: 4D

4D has the most precise tracking of a shoe in the game today.

If you can read a 4D score card it will tell you everything that is happening in the shoe no matter what system we decide to play.

NEXT

The Key to Unlock the Shoe?

PROGRESSION

It doesn't matter how many UNITS we strive to win it all boils down to what progression we use to try to win our bets be it 5, 10,or 20+ units.

The only problem is Progressions carry RISKS nothing is guaranteed the next hand is STILL only 50/50!!!

So how can we safely get to +5 every shoe with out risking are now earned CHIPS?

U1D1?

U1D2?

123 4?

2Hi? Flat Betting?

We are lucky enough to have the experience of some of the Best Players in the world here at BTC,Guys who have looked at these puzzles before look to them for the answers we need...

We keep saying its all here in the forum we just need to look!

IMHO.

For +5 Units this HAS got to be the best advice on the forum:

You never make a 3 unit bet.

Never make a 2 unit bet if your score is -2 or more, flat bet till you get your score up to at least a 0 or -1.

If you lose 3 bets in a row stop and wait till you have 1 or 2 paper wins or you see a good signal to start betting again.

If you lose 2 bets after getting back in it is probably time to quit the shoe and find another one.

These are not my words,They are the words of one of the BEST Baccarat players the world ever saw!

For those who want to push on for more Units use capture points and never go below +4 units NOW your only RISKING one unit more for glory!!!

Regards Lou.

[Quizzical1]

The Truth...

EVERY HAND EVER DEALT IN BACCARAT HAS THE ODDS OF 50/50!!!

It will never get better than THAT!

What do we need?

The best Baccarat Method in the world?

To date: 4D

4D has the most precise tracking of a shoe in the game today.

If you can read a 4D score card it will tell you everything that is happening in the shoe no matter what system we decide to play.

NEXT

The Key to Unlock the Shoe?

PROGRESSION

It doesn't matter how many UNITS we strive to win it all boils down to what progression we use to try to win our bets be it 5, 10,or 20+ units.

The only problem is Progressions carry RISKS nothing is guaranteed the next hand is STILL only 50/50!!!

So how can we safely get to +5 every shoe with out risking are now earned CHIPS?

U1D1?

U1D2?

123 4?

2Hi? Flat Betting?

We are lucky enough to have the experience of some of the Best Players in the world here at BTC,Guys who have looked at these puzzles before look to them for the answers we need...

We keep saying its all here in the forum we just need to look!

IMHO.

For +5 Units this HAS got to be the best advice on the forum:

You never make a 3 unit bet.

Never make a 2 unit bet if your score is -2 or more, flat bet till you get your score up to at least a 0 or -1.

If you lose 3 bets in a row stop and wait till you have 1 or 2 paper wins or you see a good signal to start betting again.

If you lose 2 bets after getting back in it is probably time to quit the shoe and find another one.

These are not my words,They are the words of one of the BEST Baccarat players the world ever saw!

For those who want to push on for more Units use capture points and never go below +4 units NOW your only RISKING one unit more for glory!!!

Regards Lou.

Agree Lou.

IMO, we still need to fine tune when to switch from net betting the low count to same-side flat betting the highest count for the 4D to protect against 5+ iar streaks. It would be a wonderful thing - and my sincere hope - that the 4D could be tweaked to the point where it can be played purely mechanically to a +5 win goal. That way there are NO decisions or judgement calls needed to be made. Just follow the plan.

btw - that last part reminds me a lot of Norm A.....;o}

[kachatz1]

The Truth...

EVERY HAND EVER DEALT IN BACCARAT HAS THE ODDS OF 50/50!!!

It will never get better than THAT!

What do we need?

The best Baccarat Method in the world?

To date: 4D

4D has the most precise tracking of a shoe in the game today.

If you can read a 4D score card it will tell you everything that is happening in the shoe no matter what system we decide to play.

NEXT

The Key to Unlock the Shoe?

PROGRESSION

It doesn't matter how many UNITS we strive to win it all boils down to what progression we use to try to win our bets be it 5, 10,or 20+ units.

The only problem is Progressions carry RISKS nothing is guaranteed the next hand is STILL only 50/50!!!

So how can we safely get to +5 every shoe with out risking are now earned CHIPS?

U1D1?

U1D2?

123 4?

2Hi? Flat Betting?

We are lucky enough to have the experience of some of the Best Players in the world here at BTC,Guys who have looked at these puzzles before look to them for the answers we need...

We keep saying its all here in the forum we just need to look!

IMHO.

For +5 Units this HAS got to be the best advice on the forum:

You never make a 3 unit bet.

Never make a 2 unit bet if your score is -2 or more, flat bet till you get your score up to at least a 0 or -1.

If you lose 3 bets in a row stop and wait till you have 1 or 2 paper wins or you see a good signal to start betting again.

If you lose 2 bets after getting back in it is probably time to quit the shoe and find another one.

These are not my words,They are the words of one of the BEST Baccarat players the world ever saw!

For those who want to push on for more Units use capture points and never go below +4 units NOW your only RISKING one unit more for glory!!!

Regards Lou.

Late last week, his former team retired his #.

One of the greatest per- game points-scored averages.

And the 2000-2001 NBA MVP

And despite an extremely prolific career, he was most remembered for his rants-and-raves over a team Practice Session...

YES, his name is Allen Iverson.

You don't get your jersey/# retired just for showing up to work.

You don't end up in the scoring elite without sweating over the smallest of details...

And you will NEVER, EVER be an all-star you don't want to practice what you have learned , before you play, every day...

LOU is right.

We are among the best trained, highly educated, battle-tested baccarat players on the planet.

It's all here in the forum, you just have to take the time to read about it...understand it...acknowledge it...

And PRACTICE it.

Just like AI, we all have the opportunity to "have our cake, and eat it too".

There is simply no way that if we know when to get in the game, when to stay in, and when to get out that 4D, NOR+, 5STAR, whatever you want to call it will let us down more often than they will assure we win...

I know you can read.

I know you can comprehend.

And I think by now you know that you will be tested every single time you sit down at the table.

If that worries you, or troubles you in any way, just remember.

You understand this forum, you will be among the best trained BAC athletes ever to play the game.

You have more weapons at your disposal than Bruce Willis ever needed to bring down a whole plane load of terrorists.

And nobody, but nobody can beat you except yourself....

Lou has it right.

You may not have the bankroll to make $30,000 in 30 days.

You likely will NOT reach $1Million in earnings this year.

You dont understand some critical pieces of instruction this forum provides, DO NOT give up your day job.

But, you are willing to PRACTICE, willing to follow Ellis' teachings, you will never again not be able to pay the rent....

Just like THE MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THE WORLD, who attended the NASCAR race held in Vegas this weekend, you may not always want a seat at the table, but when you DO, make sure you have doctor Ellis in you hip pocket.

Stay thirsty,my friends .

[Quizzical1]

Late last week, his former team retired his #.

One of the greatest per- game points-scored averages.

And the 2000-2001 NBA MVP

And despite an extremely prolific career, he was most remembered for his rants-and-raves over a team Practice Session...

YES, his name is Allen Iverson.

You don't get your jersey/# retired just for showing up to work.

You don't end up in the scoring elite without sweating over the smallest of details...

And you will NEVER, EVER be an all-star you don't want to practice what you have learned , before you play, every day...

LOU is right.

We are among the best trained, highly educated, battle-tested baccarat players on the planet.

It's all here in the forum, you just have to take the time to read about it...understand it...acknowledge it...

And PRACTICE it.

Just like AI, we all have the opportunity to "have our cake, and eat it too".

There is simply no way that if we know when to get in the game, when to stay in, and when to get out that 4D, NOR+, 5STAR, whatever you want to call it will let us down more often than they will assure we win...

I know you can read.

I know you can comprehend.

And I think by now you know that you will be tested every single time you sit down at the table.

If that worries you, or troubles you in any way, just remember.

You understand this forum, you will be among the best trained BAC athletes ever to play the game.

You have more weapons at your disposal than Bruce Willis ever needed to bring down a whole plane load of terrorists.

And nobody, but nobody can beat you except yourself....

Lou has it right.

You may not have the bankroll to make $30,000 in 30 days.

You likely will NOT reach $1Million in earnings this year.

You dont understand some critical pieces of instruction this forum provides, DO NOT give up your day job.

But, you are willing to PRACTICE, willing to follow Ellis' teachings, you will never again not be able to pay the rent....

Just like THE MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THE WORLD, who attended the NASCAR race held in Vegas this weekend, you may not always want a seat at the table, but when you DO, make sure you have doctor Ellis in you hip pocket.

Stay thirsty,my friends .

When I get to that level, does that mean I can park MY Bentley in the handicapped spot at Bennigan's too?.....(yes, AI used to do this when he was with PHL Sixers)...;o}

[kachatz1]

By all means,you got a Bentley????

You want someone to hang out at Subway in the parking lot while you get your $5 foot-long, I'm a car-nut, I'LL DO IT !!

HA!!

( you come out, of the store, hanging on to your 12" like it was all about the meal-deal of your life, And meanwhile, I might have figured out the radio controls, or heated seats by then...)

AI?

Practice?

Are we talking about PRAC-TICE???

YES, we R.

( and praise to the woman you beseech in your prayers that we do not have a window sticker which qualifies us for one of the parking spots up front of the Casino...)

I think we both need the exercise....

[LOU30]

Hi Glen,

Just to let you know I am 100% with you on this project and all your work is totally appreciated.

Thanks Glen.

Regards Lou.

Agree Lou.

IMO, we still need to fine tune when to switch from net betting the low count to same-side flat betting the highest count for the 4D to protect against 5+ iar streaks. It would be a wonderful thing - and my sincere hope - that the 4D could be tweaked to the point where it can be played purely mechanically to a +5 win goal. That way there are NO decisions or judgement calls needed to be made. Just follow the plan.

btw - that last part reminds me a lot of Norm A.....;o}

[Quizzical1]

Hi Glen,

Just to let you know I am 100% with you on this project and all your work is totally appreciated.

Thanks Glen.

Regards Lou.

Thanks Lou - I'll do my best.

[Action Mike]

Just like THE MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THE WORLD, who attended the NASCAR race held in Vegas this weekend, you may not always want a seat at the table, but when you DO, make sure you have doctor Ellis in you hip pocket.

Stay thirsty,my friends .

Thanks for the ego boost. I wasn't that interesting that weekend, but the following two trips.... that's a different story