Guest Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Hi,I have a system that I don't see discussed here on the forum. To date, I've had great success with it. My bankroll to start was $3000, which might seem like a joke to some ppl in this forum, but I am somewhat new to Baccarat. Although, I am a long-time Poker player and know all about money management etc...My system is very basic but I want to share it with others. I will be providing my results so people can follow along... Please feel free to comment and be critical.I plan on putting in 5 to 15 hours a week at Baccarat. I work full-time and run a business so my time is somewhat limited.Currently, I am up about $2300.This is how the system works.I only bet Player. I bet every hand unless Banker hits a repeat streak of 5. Then I stop and wait for the next player.I know Banker is very slightly a better bet...but I want to take the commission out of the equation.I start my betting at $10 per hand and use a negative progression per shoe.Thus, if I lose money on the first shoe, I increase the bet to $15 on the next shoe.If I lose money on the second shoe, I increase to $25 per handIf I lose money on the third shoe I increase to $40 per handIf I lose money on the fourth shoe, I increase to $60 per handIf I lose money on the fifth shoe, I increase to $85 per handIf I lose on the sixth shoe, I increase to $105 per handIf i lose on the seventh shoe, I increase to $140 per hand.So far it is working. My session last Saturday went like this:First shoe I won $120 with Player having +12 variance over Banker.Second shoe I won $70 with Player having +7 variance over BankerThird shoe I lost $30 with Banker having +3 over PlayerFourth Shoe I lose $60 with Banker having +4 over player and bets were increased to $15 per handFifth Shoe I lost $200 with Banker having +8 over player and bets were increased to $25 per handSixth Shoe I lost $120 with Banker having +3 over player and bets were increased to $40 per handSeventh Shoe I lost $300 with Banker having +5 over player and bets were increased to $60 per handEighth Shoe I won $595 with Player having +7 over player and bets were increased to $85 per handIt was 6:30 am and time to leave. I made $75 profit and had some fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneybac Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 you had fun,how's your heart,maybe you don't have one like tinman in oz.LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trbfla Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 you had fun,how's your heart,maybe you don't have one like tinman in oz.LOLMore like toto I think Quote I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneybac Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 hey toto was awake ,he went under the curtain an exposed the wizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trbfla Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Exactly exposed for what he was, the was no oz, and there is no oz, but there is fools gold and butter..... Quote I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnycs1 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 HAMSTER,Where do you play , where there is a 10 dollar game ?And what is the average daily playing time work out to ?Continued success...often simply is better !And thanks for sharing your method , without all the cloak & dagger BS , from a couple of poster here lately and their :" can't reveal my method cause the casino's monitor this forum and will change the rules " !!! ??? Give me a break !!Ellis & Keith have been kicking tail for years !! AND THE GAME HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED ! johnny/abq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneybac Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 dame where do you play,i guess that's why they keep changing the systems.the game never changes.LOL.they still hand shuffle where your at johnny,now they have shufflemaster,now m3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Hi Johnny!I play in Vancouver, BC. The casino is called Edgewater. It is right in the downtown area on the water. There is one table with $10 min and $1000 max and ties pay 8 to 1. It is 90% asian playing and actually the dealer asked me how I got into the game since I am white. He laughed and said white people play BJ or lose at poker!! I agreed...LOLYou can also play at computer termainals right next to this table and get a live feed. On the computer terminal you can actually make your bets $5...by betting $15 on player and $10 on Banker. So maybe I should do that to start....rather than $10. I just find $5 bets to be too low...But since I am using a negative progression, it might be a good idea.Any thoughts? Should I change my bet increases per shoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Exactly exposed for what he was, the was no oz, and there is no oz, but there is fools gold and butter.....Don't be too hard on Oz. He just got in over his head when it comes to teaching. But remember that his basic way of playing did very well on computer testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users bluetri Posted April 4, 2014 Users Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Don't be too hard on Oz. He just got in over his head when it comes to teaching. But remember that his basic way of playing did very well on computer testing.And I, for one, would be happy to see him rejoin our discussion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trbfla Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Don't be too hard on Oz. He just got in over his head when it comes to teaching. But remember that his basic way of playing did very well on computer testing.Not the BTC oz here, I was talking about the wizard of oz...,,unless the BTC oz is the wizard of oz Quote I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trbfla Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 And I, for one, would be happy to see him rejoin our discussion!Yes I agree Quote I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 I forgot to mention...When I give the totals at the end of the shoe, I am only counting the + banker or player that I played. Hence, I sit out Banker long runs over 5, until the next player. On the sixth shoe, Banker was very dominant but with 2 long runs. One was 15 long...and I only lost 5 bets on that long run. $40 bets I could of got killed on that shoe. Luck? Or great system? You decide.I think every system has at least one weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 you had fun,how's your heart,maybe you don't have one like tinman in oz.LOLNot even sure what this comment means?You saying I have no guts and should increasing my bets more per shoe?My Bankroll is not very large...I am trying to build one up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Hi,I have a system that I don't see discussed here on the forum. To date, I've had great success with it. My bankroll to start was $3000, which might seem like a joke to some ppl in this forum, but I am somewhat new to Baccarat. Although, I am a long-time Poker player and know all about money management etc...My system is very basic but I want to share it with others. I will be providing my results so people can follow along... Please feel free to comment and be critical.I plan on putting in 5 to 15 hours a week at Baccarat. I work full-time and run a business so my time is somewhat limited.Currently, I am up about $2300.This is how the system works.I only bet Player. I bet every hand unless Banker hits a repeat streak of 5. Then I stop and wait for the next player.I know Banker is very slightly a better bet...but I want to take the commission out of the equation.I start my betting at $10 per hand and use a negative progression per shoe.Thus, if I lose money on the first shoe, I increase the bet to $15 on the next shoe.If I lose money on the second shoe, I increase to $25 per handIf I lose money on the third shoe I increase to $40 per handIf I lose money on the fourth shoe, I increase to $60 per handIf I lose money on the fifth shoe, I increase to $85 per handIf I lose on the sixth shoe, I increase to $105 per handIf i lose on the seventh shoe, I increase to $140 per hand.So far it is working. My session last Saturday went like this:First shoe I won $120 with Player having +12 variance over Banker.Second shoe I won $70 with Player having +7 variance over BankerThird shoe I lost $30 with Banker having +3 over PlayerFourth Shoe I lose $60 with Banker having +4 over player and bets were increased to $15 per handFifth Shoe I lost $200 with Banker having +8 over player and bets were increased to $25 per handSixth Shoe I lost $120 with Banker having +3 over player and bets were increased to $40 per handSeventh Shoe I lost $300 with Banker having +5 over player and bets were increased to $60 per handEighth Shoe I won $595 with Player having +7 over player and bets were increased to $85 per handIt was 6:30 am and time to leave. I made $75 profit and had some fun.Good grief, this is a disaster looking for a place to happen. I've seen this time and time again.All never ending progs win a lot of shoes. That's where you happen to be right now. But eventually they all end up the same way. That is where you are headed.If you are going to bet that much money, it would be a good idea to learn how to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trbfla Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 I saw a guy at the rock do this for months winning 1k a day for months one day he lost 25k not once not twice but 3 times haven't seem him since Quote I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Well, I am back from the casino and it is 8:23 am Pacific time...I feel gross but my session was good overall...but stressful.I am not sure if I mentioned before, but I increase my bets the next shoe is my overall score is negative in terms of money won or lost. Not total bets won or lost with player.It seems the later I go the faster the shoe...between 3 to 7 am the shoes are very fast since I am the only one playing half the time...First Shoe, Banker +6 so I was down $60.Second Shoe Banker was +12 and bets were increased to $15. So overall -$180Third Shoe Player +3 and bets $25. Overall down -$105Fourth Shoe Banker +10 and bets $40. Overall down -$505Fifth Shoe Player +1 and bets $60. Overall down $455Sixth Shoe Banker +14 and bets $85. Overall down $1645Seventh Shoe Player +4 and bets $115. Overall down $1185Eigth Shoe Player +11 and bets $150. Overall up $465 and left a winnerI think I got very lucky... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Good grief, this is a disaster looking for a place to happen. I've seen this time and time again.All never ending progs win a lot of shoes. That's where you happen to be right now. But eventually they all end up the same way. That is where you are headed.If you are going to bet that much money, it would be a good idea to learn how to play.Mr. E.Clifton Davis...what do you recommend instead?Learn to play what? NOR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 I played again...just got home.I posted another win yesterday with this system, but I don;t see it here. I am not going to type it out again, but it was scary and I got lucky in later shoes.Tonight was a breeze in comparision.First Shoe player won +17. Up $170Second Shoe Banker won +14. Up $30Third Shoe still betting $10 per hand. Banker won +6. Down $30.Fourth Shoe, betting now $15 per hand. Banker won 2. Down $50Fifth Shoe, Player won 9, and betting $25 per hand. I quit up $175What made the night great was during cashout, this young blonde is in front of me... She drops some change on the ground and I pick it up for her. She thanks me...and touches my nose. I thought his was weird...then she turns back to the cashier and drops some more change... This is when I clue in she is totally out of it. I asked her how her night went and who is she with. She then claims she is with me, and stands beside me while I cash out my roll. Then she said she needs a ride, and goes to hold my hand. I am thinking...WTF... This is too easy...Let's just say the drive home included an invite inside! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Good grief, this is a disaster looking for a place to happen. I've seen this time and time again.All never ending progs win a lot of shoes. That's where you happen to be right now. But eventually they all end up the same way. That is where you are headed.If you are going to bet that much money, it would be a good idea to learn how to play.Hi Ellis!Question about NOR...I am just reading posts about it.How many times in a shoe can you switch between modes?What is the average to expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Action Mike Posted April 10, 2014 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 I played again...just got home.I posted another win yesterday with this system, but I don;t see it here. I am not going to type it out again, but it was scary and I got lucky in later shoes.Tonight was a breeze in comparision.First Shoe player won +17. Up $170Second Shoe Banker won +14. Up $30Third Shoe still betting $10 per hand. Banker won +6. Down $30.Fourth Shoe, betting now $15 per hand. Banker won 2. Down $50Fifth Shoe, Player won 9, and betting $25 per hand. I quit up $175What made the night great was during cashout, this young blonde is in front of me... She drops some change on the ground and I pick it up for her. She thanks me...and touches my nose. I thought his was weird...then she turns back to the cashier and drops some more change... This is when I clue in she is totally out of it. I asked her how her night went and who is she with. She then claims she is with me, and stands beside me while I cash out my roll. Then she said she needs a ride, and goes to hold my hand. I am thinking...WTF... This is too easy...Let's just say the drive home included an invite inside!Sounds like a really lucky night, however based on your last two nights, it seems your luck is running out. I'd be very careful with your bankroll and the system you have. If you are really stuck on using it, at least take the winnings you have at this point and put it away for a rainy day. Luck won't run forever. Quote Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Figure out a way to win at baccarat that fits your lifestyle, you don't have to eat fish anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainerGriff Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Sounds like a really lucky night, however based on your last two nights, it seems your luck is running out. I'd be very careful with your bankroll and the system you have. If you are really stuck on using it, at least take the winnings you have at this point and put it away for a rainy day. Luck won't run forever.^^^^^^ what he said ^^^^^^^You are just delaying the inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Sounds like a really lucky night, however based on your last two nights, it seems your luck is running out. I'd be very careful with your bankroll and the system you have. If you are really stuck on using it, at least take the winnings you have at this point and put it away for a rainy day. Luck won't run forever.Thanks for the advance Pomp.I have been putting away...well actually mostly spending my winnings. I recently bought a new computer for $1300.You can check it out here...playing BF4 and getting 70+ fps with setting maxed! Crazy...This is a real computer folks: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Called in sick to work and played all night...I had Bacarat in my sleep. Kinda like Ellis ... except I'm not coming up with betting systems, more like a craving to gamble and hopefully win.Well, this is how it went:First shoe betting $10. Banker won +16. WTF...Brutal. -$160Second Shoe betting $15. Banker won +5. Two huge runs on this shoe. Player started winning 12 of the first 14 bets, then it went sour. -$235Third Shoe betting $25. Banker won +6. -$385Fourth Shoe betting $40. Player won +2 . -$305Fifth Shoe betting $60. Banker won +9. Not good... -$845Sixth Shoe Betting +85. Banker won +5. -$1270Seventh Shoe Betting $105. At this point I told some old chinese guy what I was doing and he seemed amused and told 2 of his friends. This was about 1 am...they decided to stick around and watch. Sensing a bust out.Player ended up +4. -$850. At this point, I really see the weakness of my system. Hence, when the betting gets too high, it is so easy to bust out. But I stuck with it.Eigth Shoe betting $140. Banker ended up +1. -$990Nineth Shoe. Betting $180 a hand and just over 2k roll. Player wins +6. Up $90. I quit at this point...system barely held on again. Will try it again in 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Player ended up +4. -$850. At this point, I really see the weakness of my system. Hence, when the betting gets too high, it is so easy to bust out.Hamster, Hopefully by now you're starting to see the "problem" with this type of play, especially counting on a positive Player shoe to bring home the bacon. Several people have already commented on where this is eventually going to take you. I think you may have just been given a glimpse of the future and used up your "Get Out of Jail" card. Seriously, this most probably will not end up well. With that said, I do honestely wish you all the luck you can muster. MVS Quote What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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