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Hi,

I have a system that I don't see discussed here on the forum. To date, I've had great success with it. My bankroll to start was $3000, which might seem like a joke to some ppl in this forum, but I am somewhat new to Baccarat. Although, I am a long-time Poker player and know all about money management etc...

My system is very basic but I want to share it with others. I will be providing my results so people can follow along... Please feel free to comment and be critical.

I plan on putting in 5 to 15 hours a week at Baccarat. I work full-time and run a business so my time is somewhat limited.

Currently, I am up about $2300.

This is how the system works.

I only bet Player. I bet every hand unless Banker hits a repeat streak of 5. Then I stop and wait for the next player.

I know Banker is very slightly a better bet...but I want to take the commission out of the equation.

I start my betting at $10 per hand and use a negative progression per shoe.

Thus, if I lose money on the first shoe, I increase the bet to $15 on the next shoe.

If I lose money on the second shoe, I increase to $25 per hand

If I lose money on the third shoe I increase to $40 per hand

If I lose money on the fourth shoe, I increase to $60 per hand

If I lose money on the fifth shoe, I increase to $85 per hand

If I lose on the sixth shoe, I increase to $105 per hand

If i lose on the seventh shoe, I increase to $140 per hand.

So far it is working.

My session last Saturday went like this:

First shoe I won $120 with Player having +12 variance over Banker.

Second shoe I won $70 with Player having +7 variance over Banker

Third shoe I lost $30 with Banker having +3 over Player

Fourth Shoe I lose $60 with Banker having +4 over player and bets were increased to $15 per hand

Fifth Shoe I lost $200 with Banker having +8 over player and bets were increased to $25 per hand

Sixth Shoe I lost $120 with Banker having +3 over player and bets were increased to $40 per hand

Seventh Shoe I lost $300 with Banker having +5 over player and bets were increased to $60 per hand

Eighth Shoe I won $595 with Player having +7 over player and bets were increased to $85 per hand

It was 6:30 am and time to leave. I made $75 profit and had some fun.

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HAMSTER,

Where do you play , where there is a 10 dollar game ?

And what is the average daily playing time work out to ?

Continued success...often simply is better !

And thanks for sharing your method , without all the cloak & dagger BS , from a couple of poster here lately and their :

" can't reveal my method cause the casino's monitor this forum and will change the rules " !!! ??? Give me a break !!

Ellis & Keith have been kicking tail for years !! AND THE GAME HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED ! :)

johnny/abq

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Hi Johnny!

I play in Vancouver, BC. The casino is called Edgewater. It is right in the downtown area on the water. There is one table with $10 min and $1000 max and ties pay 8 to 1. It is 90% asian playing and actually the dealer asked me how I got into the game since I am white. He laughed and said white people play BJ or lose at poker!! I agreed...LOL

You can also play at computer termainals right next to this table and get a live feed. On the computer terminal you can actually make your bets $5...by betting $15 on player and $10 on Banker. So maybe I should do that to start....rather than $10. I just find $5 bets to be too low...

But since I am using a negative progression, it might be a good idea.

Any thoughts?

Should I change my bet increases per shoe?

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Exactly exposed for what he was, the was no oz, and there is no oz, but there is fools gold and butter.....

Don't be too hard on Oz. He just got in over his head when it comes to teaching. But remember that his basic way of playing did very well on computer testing.

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Don't be too hard on Oz. He just got in over his head when it comes to teaching. But remember that his basic way of playing did very well on computer testing.

Not the BTC oz here, I was talking about the wizard of oz...,,unless the BTC oz is the wizard of oz

I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals"

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I forgot to mention...When I give the totals at the end of the shoe, I am only counting the + banker or player that I played. Hence, I sit out Banker long runs over 5, until the next player. On the sixth shoe, Banker was very dominant but with 2 long runs. One was 15 long...and I only lost 5 bets on that long run. $40 bets I could of got killed on that shoe.

Luck? Or great system? You decide.

I think every system has at least one weakness.

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you had fun,how's your heart,maybe you don't have one like tinman in oz.LOL

Not even sure what this comment means?

You saying I have no guts and should increasing my bets more per shoe?

My Bankroll is not very large...I am trying to build one up.

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Hi,

I have a system that I don't see discussed here on the forum. To date, I've had great success with it. My bankroll to start was $3000, which might seem like a joke to some ppl in this forum, but I am somewhat new to Baccarat. Although, I am a long-time Poker player and know all about money management etc...

My system is very basic but I want to share it with others. I will be providing my results so people can follow along... Please feel free to comment and be critical.

I plan on putting in 5 to 15 hours a week at Baccarat. I work full-time and run a business so my time is somewhat limited.

Currently, I am up about $2300.

This is how the system works.

I only bet Player. I bet every hand unless Banker hits a repeat streak of 5. Then I stop and wait for the next player.

I know Banker is very slightly a better bet...but I want to take the commission out of the equation.

I start my betting at $10 per hand and use a negative progression per shoe.

Thus, if I lose money on the first shoe, I increase the bet to $15 on the next shoe.

If I lose money on the second shoe, I increase to $25 per hand

If I lose money on the third shoe I increase to $40 per hand

If I lose money on the fourth shoe, I increase to $60 per hand

If I lose money on the fifth shoe, I increase to $85 per hand

If I lose on the sixth shoe, I increase to $105 per hand

If i lose on the seventh shoe, I increase to $140 per hand.

So far it is working.

My session last Saturday went like this:

First shoe I won $120 with Player having +12 variance over Banker.

Second shoe I won $70 with Player having +7 variance over Banker

Third shoe I lost $30 with Banker having +3 over Player

Fourth Shoe I lose $60 with Banker having +4 over player and bets were increased to $15 per hand

Fifth Shoe I lost $200 with Banker having +8 over player and bets were increased to $25 per hand

Sixth Shoe I lost $120 with Banker having +3 over player and bets were increased to $40 per hand

Seventh Shoe I lost $300 with Banker having +5 over player and bets were increased to $60 per hand

Eighth Shoe I won $595 with Player having +7 over player and bets were increased to $85 per hand

It was 6:30 am and time to leave. I made $75 profit and had some fun.

Good grief, this is a disaster looking for a place to happen. I've seen this time and time again.

All never ending progs win a lot of shoes. That's where you happen to be right now. But eventually they all end up the same way. That is where you are headed.

If you are going to bet that much money, it would be a good idea to learn how to play.

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Well, I am back from the casino and it is 8:23 am Pacific time...I feel gross but my session was good overall...but stressful.

I am not sure if I mentioned before, but I increase my bets the next shoe is my overall score is negative in terms of money won or lost. Not total bets won or lost with player.

It seems the later I go the faster the shoe...between 3 to 7 am the shoes are very fast since I am the only one playing half the time...

First Shoe, Banker +6 so I was down $60.

Second Shoe Banker was +12 and bets were increased to $15. So overall -$180

Third Shoe Player +3 and bets $25. Overall down -$105

Fourth Shoe Banker +10 and bets $40. Overall down -$505

Fifth Shoe Player +1 and bets $60. Overall down $455

Sixth Shoe Banker +14 and bets $85. Overall down $1645

Seventh Shoe Player +4 and bets $115. Overall down $1185

Eigth Shoe Player +11 and bets $150. Overall up $465 and left a winner

I think I got very lucky...

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Good grief, this is a disaster looking for a place to happen. I've seen this time and time again.

All never ending progs win a lot of shoes. That's where you happen to be right now. But eventually they all end up the same way. That is where you are headed.

If you are going to bet that much money, it would be a good idea to learn how to play.

Mr. E.Clifton Davis...what do you recommend instead?

Learn to play what? NOR?

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I played again...just got home.

I posted another win yesterday with this system, but I don;t see it here. I am not going to type it out again, but it was scary and I got lucky in later shoes.

Tonight was a breeze in comparision.

First Shoe player won +17. Up $170

Second Shoe Banker won +14. Up $30

Third Shoe still betting $10 per hand. Banker won +6. Down $30.

Fourth Shoe, betting now $15 per hand. Banker won 2. Down $50

Fifth Shoe, Player won 9, and betting $25 per hand. I quit up $175

What made the night great was during cashout, this young blonde is in front of me... She drops some change on the ground and I pick it up for her. She thanks me...and touches my nose. I thought his was weird...then she turns back to the cashier and drops some more change... This is when I clue in she is totally out of it. I asked her how her night went and who is she with. She then claims she is with me, and stands beside me while I cash out my roll. Then she said she needs a ride, and goes to hold my hand. I am thinking...WTF... This is too easy...

Let's just say the drive home included an invite inside!:wink:

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Good grief, this is a disaster looking for a place to happen. I've seen this time and time again.

All never ending progs win a lot of shoes. That's where you happen to be right now. But eventually they all end up the same way. That is where you are headed.

If you are going to bet that much money, it would be a good idea to learn how to play.

Hi Ellis!

Question about NOR...

I am just reading posts about it.

How many times in a shoe can you switch between modes?

What is the average to expect?

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I played again...just got home.

I posted another win yesterday with this system, but I don;t see it here. I am not going to type it out again, but it was scary and I got lucky in later shoes.

Tonight was a breeze in comparision.

First Shoe player won +17. Up $170

Second Shoe Banker won +14. Up $30

Third Shoe still betting $10 per hand. Banker won +6. Down $30.

Fourth Shoe, betting now $15 per hand. Banker won 2. Down $50

Fifth Shoe, Player won 9, and betting $25 per hand. I quit up $175

What made the night great was during cashout, this young blonde is in front of me... She drops some change on the ground and I pick it up for her. She thanks me...and touches my nose. I thought his was weird...then she turns back to the cashier and drops some more change... This is when I clue in she is totally out of it. I asked her how her night went and who is she with. She then claims she is with me, and stands beside me while I cash out my roll. Then she said she needs a ride, and goes to hold my hand. I am thinking...WTF... This is too easy...

Let's just say the drive home included an invite inside!:wink:

Sounds like a really lucky night, however based on your last two nights, it seems your luck is running out. I'd be very careful with your bankroll and the system you have. If you are really stuck on using it, at least take the winnings you have at this point and put it away for a rainy day. Luck won't run forever.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.  Figure out a way to win at baccarat that fits your lifestyle, you don't have to eat fish anymore!

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Sounds like a really lucky night, however based on your last two nights, it seems your luck is running out. I'd be very careful with your bankroll and the system you have. If you are really stuck on using it, at least take the winnings you have at this point and put it away for a rainy day. Luck won't run forever.

^^^^^^ what he said ^^^^^^^

You are just delaying the inevitable.

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Sounds like a really lucky night, however based on your last two nights, it seems your luck is running out. I'd be very careful with your bankroll and the system you have. If you are really stuck on using it, at least take the winnings you have at this point and put it away for a rainy day. Luck won't run forever.

Thanks for the advance Pomp.

I have been putting away...well actually mostly spending my winnings. I recently bought a new computer for $1300.

You can check it out here...playing BF4 and getting 70+ fps with setting maxed! Crazy...

This is a real computer folks:

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Called in sick to work and played all night...I had Bacarat in my sleep. Kinda like Ellis ... except I'm not coming up with betting systems, more like a craving to gamble and hopefully win.

Well, this is how it went:

First shoe betting $10. Banker won +16. WTF...Brutal. -$160

Second Shoe betting $15. Banker won +5. Two huge runs on this shoe. Player started winning 12 of the first 14 bets, then it went sour. -$235

Third Shoe betting $25. Banker won +6. -$385

Fourth Shoe betting $40. Player won +2 . -$305

Fifth Shoe betting $60. Banker won +9. Not good... -$845

Sixth Shoe Betting +85. Banker won +5. -$1270

Seventh Shoe Betting $105. At this point I told some old chinese guy what I was doing and he seemed amused and told 2 of his friends. This was about 1 am...they decided to stick around and watch. Sensing a bust out.

Player ended up +4. -$850. At this point, I really see the weakness of my system. Hence, when the betting gets too high, it is so easy to bust out. But I stuck with it.

Eigth Shoe betting $140. Banker ended up +1. -$990

Nineth Shoe. Betting $180 a hand and just over 2k roll. Player wins +6. Up $90. I quit at this point...system barely held on again. Will try it again in 2 days.

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Player ended up +4. -$850. At this point, I really see the weakness of my system. Hence, when the betting gets too high, it is so easy to bust out.

Hamster,

Hopefully by now you're starting to see the "problem" with this type of play, especially counting on a positive Player shoe to bring home the bacon.

Several people have already commented on where this is eventually going to take you.

I think you may have just been given a glimpse of the future and used up your "Get Out of Jail" card.

Seriously, this most probably will not end up well.

With that said, I do honestely wish you all the luck you can muster.

MVS

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