Users brad01 Posted December 7, 2014 Users Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 What games do dealers start on and what do they progress to with more experience?How long does it take them to be a supervisor or pit boss?I know of a dealer who started at my local casino and has been there a year and a half approximately.Apparently he started on blackjack and casino war (very simple game where you try to beat the delaer with 1 card each and with a tie you can 'go to war' and get another dealt)Then progressed to baccaratHe did a test for roulette once but failed and passed second time.Last few months he has been in the semi high rollers room.Just now he has been promoted to supervisor - there are others above him but he oversees a few tables.So in just a year and a half he has gone from nothiong to supervisor.Just starting a discussion on dealers and what games do they start on and what are the hardest?Also how long before they would get a promotion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 It used to be that Bac took a lot of dealer training because the dealer had to know the very complex rules. But now the automated dealer shoes do all that for him so he simply deals when the shoe tells him to. Strange you should ask your question now. The bottom just fell out of the dealer world. Many experienced dealers are now driving cabs in Vegas and 4000 were recently laid off in A.C. This is not the time to think about becoming a dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted December 8, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 It was exactly what you have just described Ellis that prompted my post.Guess the dealer business is one that's also been hurt by technology and the internetHuman beings are being super - ceded by robotsI'm sure if casinos could survive off slot machines they would - fixed profits and the only overhead is electricity and maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted December 9, 2014 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 So just thinking 10 years out from now...will there even be dealers?And how do you " tip" a robot? Or, should you even consider it?What about slots?...fingerprint, eye,facial recognition software already exists....And Blackjack..sensory " card readers" already developed can "read" players "down cards"...can auto-shuffler be programmed to " react" to deliver BUST-CARDS to Players?How about CRAPS players? Don't think for a moment the dice can't be " weighted" /"programmed" from the COMMAND CENTER to deliver commotion-with-motion casino-friendly results...PaiGow and Three Card Blackjack players already reporting dis-satisfaction with today's' resultsWatch the movie " The Fortress" (1993), and you'll see a glimpse of what fate awaits BIG WINNERS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 So maybe baccarat is the fairest game as the results are pre determined if the cards are pre - shuffled and not drawn from shufflerSo as long as you can determine the bias you can winOr roulette although they can cheat but roulette tends to be a game they leave alone as its universally accepted that it cant be beat by casinos?It really comes down to boycotting the games you cant win or the ones you suspect they cheat at or that cant be beatThat's what Ellis keeps saying time and time again - he must get sick of repeating himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 So maybe baccarat is the fairest game as the results are pre determined if the cards are pre - shuffled and not drawn from shufflerSo as long as you can determine the bias you can winOr roulette although they can cheat but roulette tends to be a game they leave alone as its universally accepted that it cant be beat by casinos?It really comes down to boycotting the games you cant win or the ones you suspect they cheat at or that cant be beatThat's what Ellis keeps saying time and time again - he must get sick of repeating himself!As long as you can determine the bias, or just as importantly, the lack of bias.Right, once the first card is dealt, the die is cast, the entire game is predetermined - unlike BJ wherein every play that every player makes changes the game completely. Also, in Bac, the odds of every play are 50/50 not counting ties, while in BJ, Perfect Basic Strategy only wins 43% of the hands.Unfortunately, once rhe cards go into a shuffle machine you are "trusting a casino" which is NEVER a good position to be in.Likewise when new cards come to the table "preshuffled", you are trusting a casino.We did successfully boycot casinos trying to introduce the "must play everyhand rule" which started with Stardust in Vegas.I got the entire high stakes room, about 15 Bac tables, to walk out mid shoe on a packed Saturday night when the High Stakes Mgr tried to make us bet every hand. She was fired on the spot. Then 2 months later she was fired again from Foxwood, CT for trying to pull the same stunt at a high stakes table I was playing. I think another reason why internet casinos will take over the entire industry is because they do not use shuffle machines or preshuffled cards. The internet already does more business than all the real casinos put together.Real casinos are already on borrowed time.The winners will be whoever offers the fairest game. And that is as it SHOULD be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted December 11, 2014 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Ellis has given us all way more advice/counsel/tips&techniques about Baccarat ( and Blackjack) than we likely ever will find elsewhere...And over the course of a long period, there are those in this community who will actually play ( and live to tell about it/prosper from) hundreds, even thousands of shoes... Hands down, for me, the insight he has given me to recognize/adjust to SHOE BIAS ( or lack thereof) is the number one, single determinant gift-that-keeps-on-giving But....now what?Sure he might be in the CasinoBlackBook, he may be in your Rolodex, and perhaps he is in your smart-phone speed-dial favorites listCall it 1-800-PRNTMNY or something like that...So in this post brings up a good point here about the internet-versus-Bricks and Mortar casinos ( and the game of Baccarat), and their respective likelihood of survivalBut he misses the broader point, he fails to discuss the single most potentially bankroll-devastating force staring us in the face. If we ignore it, if we choose to brush it aside and just hope-for-the-best, we will have collectively missed out on our ability to beat-the-casino at this game for the rest of our lives...You all know the answer, but nobody wants to discuss it.You all have pondered your " Baccarat future", if you value in any sense the potential profits you will enjoy playing Baccarat for the next 5-10-20 yearsSo what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedda Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Do you mean the psychological aspect of the game? Having the right mindset etc..Is it the greed that's staring at us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trbfla Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 K-dogWell besides having a playing method with a bet selection that hits less times than Wilt Chamberlain at a women's college basketball game, I would have to say the single most devastating thing to our bankroll would be........insert drum roll here..........Poor Money ManagementSo what is the broader point? Quote I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted December 14, 2014 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Ellis has given us all way more advice/counsel/tips&techniques about Baccarat ( and Blackjack) than we likely ever will find elsewhere...And over the course of a long period, there are those in this community who will actually play ( and live to tell about it/prosper from) hundreds, even thousands of shoes... Hands down, for me, the insight he has given me to recognize/adjust to SHOE BIAS ( or lack thereof) is the number one, single determinant gift-that-keeps-on-giving But....now what?Sure he might be in the CasinoBlackBook, he may be in your Rolodex, and perhaps he is in your smart-phone speed-dial favorites listCall it 1-800-PRNTMNY or something like that...So in this post brings up a good point here about the internet-versus-Bricks and Mortar casinos ( and the game of Baccarat), and their respective likelihood of survivalBut he misses the broader point, he fails to discuss the single most potentially bankroll-devastating force staring us in the face. If we ignore it, if we choose to brush it aside and just hope-for-the-best, we will have collectively missed out on our ability to beat-the-casino at this game for the rest of our lives...You all know the answer, but nobody wants to discuss it.You all have pondered your " Baccarat future", if you value in any sense the potential profits you will enjoy playing Baccarat for the next 5-10-20 yearsSo what is it?The "single most potentially bankroll-devastating force staring us in the face" :What happens when there is no more Ellis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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