Just Wondering.....

[Dazza]

What ever happened to this forum and the lessons we were going to learn etc...

We are all paid members in here patiently waiting.....

Thanks

Dazza

[Guest]

Well, two things, one of which I already posted -

I'm not well. Most days I'm in no shape to be teaching anyone anything.

But I'm trying to make the most out of my good days.

The other is my BTC post notifications are entirely blocked and have been since May 2.

Keith doesn't know how this happened and is working on the problem.

Then a third thing is incentive.

BTC must find a way to make money.

A fraction of minimum wage is not much incentive - particularly at my age.

I'm not impressed by the internet

Before the internet my own system sales were ten times what the internet has been able to produce

and my prices were triple what they are today.

I make about $4 per hour but then the IRS takes ALL of it.

So I'm working for free.

See once you are over 65. If you make any money above Social Security

the IRS makes you pay taxes on ALL of your income including Social Security

which was MY own money in the first place.

Hopefully by the time you reach 65 some courageous soul will sue the IRS for massive discrimination against old people.

But meanwhile, I'm working for no money at all. Everything I make goes to the IRS.

That is a huge incentive to not work at all.

Cuba is sounding better and better.

Go figure!

Edited May 12, 2015 by Ellis

[Dazza]

Thanks Ellis

I hope you get better soon. Look after yourself Ellis and take care.

Dazza

[ECD]

With all due respect Ellis, I understand that this is not a free site and you, Keith and Steve should be compensated for all of your hard work. If you look at my account, history etc. I spent a considerable amount of money here. I am thoroughly satisfied with MOST of your theories. There are a few that I paid for that I was not happy with that appears that you abandoned ie: 4D and the ORIGINAL Universal 2Hi system. If this system didn't have all the kinks worked out yet then you shouldn't have charged $200 per person that I along with every other person on this private thread paid for. Although I wasn't happy with some of your theories I continued to pay for new ideas because I have faith in you. With you latest idea, you advertised that this is the first time that you put your name on something because there is a system that will beat everything, but then you said that you were pressured to sell it when it wasn't properly vetted. I am still a loyal BTC customer because I do think you are put a lot of time in for us. But you can't blame people who paid their money to inquire as to any updates on a theory that has not lived up to the billing. The incentive is to fix the system that you put your name and reputation on the line for. Although this is not a favorable reply, it is an honest one. I am not a person who hides behind his computer. I will validate anything I say. I continue to be a loyal BTC guy.

Well, two things, one of which I already posted -

I'm not well. Most days I'm in no shape to be teaching anyone anything.

But I'm trying to make the most out of my good days.

The other is my BTC post notifications are entirely blocked and have been since May 2.

Keith doesn't know how this happened and is working on the problem.

Then a third thing is incentive.

BTC must find a way to make money.

A fraction of minimum wage is not much incentive - particularly at my age.

I'm not impressed by the internet

Before the internet my own system sales were ten times what the internet has been able to produce

and my prices were triple what they are today.

I make about $4 per hour but then the IRS takes ALL of it.

So I'm working for free.

See once you are over 65. If you make any money above Social Security

the IRS makes you pay taxes on ALL of your income including Social Security

which was MY own money in the first place.

Hopefully by the time you reach 65 some courageous soul will sue the IRS for massive discrimination against old people.

But meanwhile, I'm working for no money at all. Everything I make goes to the IRS.

That is a huge incentive to not work at all.

Cuba is sounding better and better.

Go figure!

[Guest]

With all due respect Ellis, I understand that this is not a free site and you, Keith and Steve should be compensated for all of your hard work. If you look at my account, history etc. I spent a considerable amount of money here. I am thoroughly satisfied with MOST of your theories. There are a few that I paid for that I was not happy with that appears that you abandoned ie: 4D and the ORIGINAL Universal 2Hi system. If this system didn't have all the kinks worked out yet then you shouldn't have charged $200 per person that I along with every other person on this private thread paid for. Although I wasn't happy with some of your theories I continued to pay for new ideas because I have faith in you. With you latest idea, you advertised that this is the first time that you put your name on something because there is a system that will beat everything, but then you said that you were pressured to sell it when it wasn't properly vetted. I am still a loyal BTC customer because I do think you are put a lot of time in for us. But you can't blame people who paid their money to inquire as to any updates on a theory that has not lived up to the billing. The incentive is to fix the system that you put your name and reputation on the line for. Although this is not a favorable reply, it is an honest one. I am not a person who hides behind his computer. I will validate anything I say. I continue to be a loyal BTC guy.

Well I agree with everything you say. I don't get everything right the first time around.

The 4D is still a very viable system and we have guys here who still play it.

Oz, for instance, is making a good living just playing 1 D of the 4D.

But to be viable a system must be teachable.

When I tried to teach the 4D at the very well attended Vegas seminar, the class could not even begin to get it.

It is simply too complex for the average student.

Sure it wins just fine. But what good is it if nobody can play it.

We have a motto here that nobody gets left behind.

But with the 4D, 90% of the class couldn't even begin to understand it no matter what teaching approach I tried.

I had no choice but to abandon it - much to the chagrin of our better players.

U2Hi was a popular demand thing mostly from the guys who can't get NOR right - about 80% of the NOR forum.

They wanted something simpler. After all both NORM and OZ were winning betting 2 Hi.

But as soon as you limit yourself to ONE system you are tieing one hand behind your back.

And as soon as you limit yourself to 2Hi you are tieing your other hand behind your back.

Personally I don't bet 2Hi. I much prefer U1D2 betting. It wades through almost everything.

But you will get an occassional 7 bet. You have to know that and be mentally and financially prepared for it.

But most here won't even make a 4 bet, let alone a 7 bet.

Even basic NOR is a 4Hi method. But the players try to play it 2Hi and wonder why they can't win.

The only system that has proven itself 2Hi is SAP.

But then Vegas jumped on that with preshuffled cards.

So OK now we go to SAP/RSAP which gives us a way to play both regular and preshuffled cards.

Some have already figured it out for themselves and are already playing it successfully.

But the key was figuring out a simple way to teach it.

Last time I tried to teach SAP it was too complex for 95% of our members.

So I completely simplified the teaching technique. Most seem to be getting it now.

Plus members like the idea that you can flat bet it and do pretty good.

The reason you can bet it 1 Hi or 2 Hi or 3Hi or 4Hi is because we aren't betting every hand.

Like MDB+ we are only betting the high % bets.

But now I'll get complaints about that.

Ellis, it's too boring! I want to bet every hand.

It's a tough audience!

I can't please all the people all the time.

The best I can hope for is some of the people some of the time.

I explore everything. As a consequence I go down a lot of wrong roads.

But at least I know enough to turn around.

Sorry about that but I don't know everything, until I've tried.

[kachatz1]

With all due respect Ellis, I understand that this is not a free site and you, Keith and Steve should be compensated for all of your hard work. If you look at my account, history etc. I spent a considerable amount of money here. I am thoroughly satisfied with MOST of your theories. There are a few that I paid for that I was not happy with that appears that you abandoned ie: 4D and the ORIGINAL Universal 2Hi system. If this system didn't have all the kinks worked out yet then you shouldn't have charged $200 per person that I along with every other person on this private thread paid for. Although I wasn't happy with some of your theories I continued to pay for new ideas because I have faith in you. With you latest idea, you advertised that this is the first time that you put your name on something because there is a system that will beat everything, but then you said that you were pressured to sell it when it wasn't properly vetted. I am still a loyal BTC customer because I do think you are put a lot of time in for us. But you can't blame people who paid their money to inquire as to any updates on a theory that has not lived up to the billing. The incentive is to fix the system that you put your name and reputation on the line for. Although this is not a favorable reply, it is an honest one. I am not a person who hides behind his computer. I will validate anything I say. I continue to be a loyal BTC guy.

Hey, McV-

Call me 850-687-3128 or email me mkyle8385@gmail.com and I'll talk you through how EZ 4D is to play. I have shared this with many others...

Oh, and I don't Skype.

There's no charge whatsoever ...

Cant help you with 2Hi...

Kevin

[ECD]

Very good reply. By no means was my reply a knock on you or your theories. I , along with everyone on the forum owe you a debt of gratitude. However, I know gratitude doesn't pay the bills. If you reflect and look at the members of this forum that have stayed with you through thick and thin, you could be a rarity in this kind of business. This is a tribute to you and your team. I am retiring in two years. I am playing a way in which NOR is it's foundation and have had great success. I also have incorporated MDB+ into it which has made it a great success. I hope to use what you as well as other members of this forum have taught me and make $1 million.

Well I agree with everything you say. I don't get everything right the first time around.

The 4D is still a very viable system and we have guys here who still play it.

Oz, for instance, is making a good living just playing 1 D of the 4D.

But to be viable a system must be teachable.

When I tried to teach the 4D at the very well attended Vegas seminar, the class could not even begin to get it.

It is simply too complex for the average student.

Sure it wins just fine. But what good is it if nobody can play it.

We have a motto here that nobody gets left behind.

But with the 4D, 90% of the class couldn't even begin to understand it no matter what teaching approach I tried.

I had no choice but to abandon it - much to the chagrin of our better players.

U2Hi was a popular demand thing mostly from the guys who can't get NOR right - about 80% of the NOR forum.

They wanted something simpler. After all both NORM and OZ were winning betting 2 Hi.

But as soon as you limit yourself to ONE system you are tieing one hand behind your back.

And as soon as you limit yourself to 2Hi you are tieing your other hand behind your back.

Personally I don't bet 2Hi. I much prefer U1D2 betting. It wades through almost everything.

But you will get an occassional 7 bet. You have to know that and be mentally and financially prepared for it.

But most here won't even make a 4 bet, let alone a 7 bet.

Even basic NOR is a 4Hi method. But the players try to play it 2Hi and wonder why they can't win.

The only system that has proven itself 2Hi is SAP.

But then Vegas jumped on that with preshuffled cards.

So OK now we go to SAP/RSAP which gives us a way to play both regular and preshuffled cards.

Some have already figured it out for themselves and are already playing it successfully.

But the key was figuring out a simple way to teach it.

Last time I tried to teach SAP it was too complex for 95% of our members.

So I completely simplified the teaching technique. Most seem to be getting it now.

Plus members like the idea that you can flat bet it and do pretty good.

The reason you can bet it 1 Hi or 2 Hi or 3Hi or 4Hi is because we aren't betting every hand.

Like MDB+ we are only betting the high % bets.

But now I'll get complaints about that.

Ellis, it's too boring! I want to bet every hand.

It's a tough audience!

I can't please all the people all the time.

The best I can hope for is some of the people some of the time.

I explore everything. As a consequence I go down a lot of wrong roads.

But at least I know enough to turn around.

Sorry about that but I don't know everything, until I've tried.

[brad01]

Thanks Ellis for continuing to run the BTC site.

Everything you have said so far makes sense and is exactly correct

NOR is the best overall system but it requires a lot of discipline and practise to master it and it appears a lot of people are not prepared to put in that time

MDB has such a an unbelievably high hit rate its amazing and that's a completely mechanical system but as you say the best players adapt to the shoe at hand and slightly modify the triggers or avoid triggers that are risky at the time.

U2Hi was a good concept based on netbetting but to be honest I had my doubts if it was possible to find a universal system that only bets 2Hi that was completely mechanical but credit to you for putting yourself out there and trying for the members

But now we have SAP / RSAP which adapts automatically to every shoe, has a very high hit rate, and can be played flat bet, 2Hi etc !!

That's why when people kept asking for the rules I tried to post a shoe using SAP count in real play to show them they don't need to be spoon fed but put in the time, learn how to keep a SAP count, and interpret it.

I'm absolutely impressed with every section of this forum and it all works - people need to stop whinging, start reading, posting shoes, learning the rules, practising, and not expecting to be spoon fed -ITS ALL RIGHT HERE!!

[ECD]

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Brad,

Shut up you suck axx. You have no clue what you are talking about. An army that follows their leaders blindly end up in a lot of trouble. I said what I said because I paid my $$. That gives me the right to give my opinion. Don't like don't read it. BTW...I did read all the stuff. I modified NOR and the way I play is better than ANY WAY your kool-aid drinking axx is playing. I emailed Steve the way I played and he was pretty impressed. I thought I was a gentleman in my post. If I post something ,do me a favor and not reply.

QUOTE=brad01;48189]Thanks Ellis for continuing to run the BTC site.

Everything you have said so far makes sense and is exactly correct

NOR is the best overall system but it requires a lot of discipline and practise to master it and it appears a lot of people are not prepared to put in that time

MDB has such a an unbelievably high hit rate its amazing and that's a completely mechanical system but as you say the best players adapt to the shoe at hand and slightly modify the triggers or avoid triggers that are risky at the time.

U2Hi was a good concept based on netbetting but to be honest I had my doubts if it was possible to find a universal system that only bets 2Hi that was completely mechanical but credit to you for putting yourself out there and trying for the members

But now we have SAP / RSAP which adapts automatically to every shoe, has a very high hit rate, and can be played flat bet, 2Hi etc !!

That's why when people kept asking for the rules I tried to post a shoe using SAP count in real play to show them they don't need to be spoon fed but put in the time, learn how to keep a SAP count, and interpret it.

I'm absolutely impressed with every section of this forum and it all works - people need to stop whinging, start reading, posting shoes, learning the rules, practising, and not expecting to be spoon fed -ITS ALL RIGHT HERE!!

[brad01]

wasn't having a go at you McVince was talking about the guy that keep asking for rules when Ellis has said he is sick

[ECD]

Ok Brad. I was the only one that posted something not so positive (but professional). No problem.

wasn't having a go at you McVince was talking about the guy that keep asking for rules when Ellis has said he is sick

[brad01]

All good man

Sorry if I got carried away too.

I know people payed money for access to this section including myself

Times are tough all round at the moment I think we are just over a major boom worldwide and its sort of slumping into a bit of a recession

I sort feel Ellis's pain but everyone else's too.

Apparently when times are tough the casino's profits actually go up!?

Sorry if I got carried away once again McVince and lets band together and take some $$ back from the casinos!