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Visit the Paris, or even Venetian, here in LV and you will gaze skyward towards blue sky and white clouds

Not so much at the Gold Coast, but that's where I played this am...

Wanted to give all the newbies a " quick grab" at success, so I played the simplistic OTBL/O/R system I dragged out of the " systems bone pile " the other day, and commented about here on the forum

People, Peeps, perps seem to LUV the Numbers so here goes..

When I started, only 7 tables in play...when I left the casino, 13

All of this just randomly walking around and around the circle of tables, but with the knowledge you can make just one bet and go the next table ( or skip a few tables if you want)

Bets FOR an OTBL result, after the last hand resulted in OTBL result

- won 48, lost 29

Bets FOR an Opposite result, after the the previous hand resulted in an Opposite to the prior hand ( but was not an OTBL result )

- won 14, lost 8

Bets FOR a REPEAT result, after the previous hand resulted in a REPEAT of the prior hand ( but was not an OTBL result)

- won 19, lost 7

Started with $500, left after commission, tips, etc. with a WIN of +$798.00 , playing FLAT BET $25, more than I started with, in less than 2 hours...no progressions, just flat betting...

I know for all you Baccarat gold-diggers, this may not floatURboat

But almost 160% ROI?

In less than two hours?

> $350 ( cash)per hour, never sitting down?

You want fast-and-dirty?

Here you go.

You got fast-and-dirty.

Any newbie sitting on the fence, pay the man, before the man goes away...

His name is Ellis.

He taught me about TABLE SELECTION.

I took it to heart, practiced it, and now...many years later...the results.

Sign Up.

While you still can.

(Or, bet FUTURES based on the GREEK THING, and you just might break the bank that's not already broken...)

Psst.... Now that's gambling....

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I think you wanted this on public forum maybe?

Although NOR members could join MDB / U2Hi

I totally get what you say about having as many tools as possible when going into battle as now I've got a good understanding and practise of NOR, MBD+, SAP, and netbetting I'm seeing so many more opportunities at the tables and it makes it so much easier to look at what was once a difficult shoe with just NOR into an opportunity with MDB+ or Netbet and when things change on dime like they do what was a Netbet shoe becomes a NOR shoe and vice versa

Yes the sky is the limit - very excited and planning a big year

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Thanks for posting those impressive #'s. i do have a couple of questions for you.While walking around scoping out the tables are you looking for anything in particular? What I mean by that is that any table you look at would have one of those last events. i will be playing in ST. Louis this weekend and they will have 2 maybe 3 tables up. Does this work for limited tables? What if only one table is up? Would you bet OTBL after an OTBL and if that was a repeat then bet repeat on the next hand , or do you take one bet and wait? I do like the $25 flat betting! It's easy to reach over someone and drop a quarter then pick up two! LOL

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Thanks for sharing the results Kevin. Let's see, 65% win rate, and big return with flat betting. Imagine what a small progression would do, and how about blacks instead of greens. Oh wait, that's the baccarat gold digger coming out again!

Simple approaches, well thought out and based on proven results can and do work. I think the environment you chose (lots of tables where you can make individual bets and move on) are the ideal conditions for this approach. I wouldn't recommend it as a strategy where you sit at one table and bet every hand as either OTBL, repeat or opposite based on the previous hand.

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As always, I'm ready, willing and able to press the flesh with any and all, no matter their economic circumstances.

No, this is NOT a game to play at a single table ( though it would work handsomely at times...)

Yes, it is much more suited to a hit-and-run strategy in a casino with a greater number of tables than 2 or 3

No, I do not espouse this as the latest/greatest , nor will it supplant " sliced bread" as same....

Yes, I AM looking to give every player I can another tool , in hopes they will join the ranks of our TOOLBOX TEACHERS, and contribute regularly to help us all with building our own house.

No, people who know me will come to realize I am all-in for YOUR " greater good", and I only posted this as just a means to an end...that being giving back to the community we belong to.

Yes, it really did happen. The results are what they were, and posted as same.

No, I cannot, or will not state your results would be the same, under similar circumstances .

Yes, YMMV,-and vary they will...

No, I'm not trying to make any point about How2 Play, other than the obvious one of the more you know, the more likely you are to succeed.

Yes, I Am touting Ellis, and it's not because I feel sorry for him, it's because I really want less experienced players to take advantage of the best education they might ever receive.

If only they knew how to recognize it.

No, perhaps NOR in its " purest form" no longer works all, or most of the time.

Yes, when NOR doesn't, MDB might.

And vice-versa

We have an incredible community of talented, smart people who can make this as clear as rain.

The question is " Will We" ?

Or will we choose to keep this all to ourselves...

Believing the casino will catch on, and toss us aside.

Thinking, for even a moment, that casinos worldwide conspire to make our lives miserable

Wondering, out loud, why we didn't win the last shoe...

( umm,pause,clearing my throat)

The facts are that nothing has changed.

Nothing " should" stop you from winning, except yourself.

If only you pay attention.

If only you are willing to recognize how to pave a smooth road, and how to get out of the ditches you seemingly/ repeatedly ( ME TOO!!!!!) dig for yourself.

The big question is not " can you" , or " " will you" ...

Or even " do you want to."

Because, of course you would answer " YES"

( I disagree... Sorry)

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I want to take the time to tell all of you how much Kevin cares about each and every members success. He is one of the very

talented players here and have been playing for quite some time. I can not begin to express how much help he has given and willing to

help. Like he said are you going to give back what was given to you or KEEP IT A SECRET !!.. Listen everyone at one point in time

joined this forum and had access to the tools just like everyone else. We are all here to help each other out to be the best we can be.

Way2fast has been very kind to give out his modified terms of how he plays MDB+ , Kevin has been kind enough to help out with his

way of playing. I know some of the best players have modified ways of playing that is making them consistent winners and that's the key.

Way2fast, Kevin, Nick, Steven, Keith, Ellis, FrontAl I want to thank all of you of what you have given.. Thanks a million

P.S. Don't let me forget about NORM..Even know I never had the chance to meet him I know

he was very helpful as well.. Papajoe to from this posts..

Visit the Paris, or even Venetian, here in LV and you will gaze skyward towards blue sky and white clouds

Not so much at the Gold Coast, but that's where I played this am...

Wanted to give all the newbies a " quick grab" at success, so I played the simplistic OTBL/O/R system I dragged out of the " systems bone pile " the other day, and commented about here on the forum

People, Peeps, perps seem to LUV the Numbers so here goes..

When I started, only 7 tables in play...when I left the casino, 13

All of this just randomly walking around and around the circle of tables, but with the knowledge you can make just one bet and go the next table ( or skip a few tables if you want)

Bets FOR an OTBL result, after the last hand resulted in OTBL result

- won 48, lost 29

Bets FOR an Opposite result, after the the previous hand resulted in an Opposite to the prior hand ( but was not an OTBL result )

- won 14, lost 8

Bets FOR a REPEAT result, after the previous hand resulted in a REPEAT of the prior hand ( but was not an OTBL result)

- won 19, lost 7

Started with $500, left after commission, tips, etc. with a WIN of +$798.00 , playing FLAT BET $25, more than I started with, in less than 2 hours...no progressions, just flat betting...

I know for all you Baccarat gold-diggers, this may not floatURboat

But almost 160% ROI?

In less than two hours?

> $350 ( cash)per hour, never sitting down?

You want fast-and-dirty?

Here you go.

You got fast-and-dirty.

Any newbie sitting on the fence, pay the man, before the man goes away...

His name is Ellis.

He taught me about TABLE SELECTION.

I took it to heart, practiced it, and now...many years later...the results.

Sign Up.

While you still can.

(Or, bet FUTURES based on the GREEK THING, and you just might break the bank that's not already broken...)

Psst.... Now that's gambling....

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Hi Kevin,

A few questions:

By table selction what does that mean: Are you looking for a certain type of table condition you know you can beat or you like and prefer and do well with?

Or are you looking for any bias with consistency that you can apply the right system to?

Or do you not know until you see it?

Just not sure exactly what this means to everyone and interested on how you see it

Also

With your hit and run method are you relying on the maths of 1's and 2's across the board or are you looking for tables with OTBL sections changing to ZZ and streak sections and only playing them?

Do you think this should work on roulette?

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Brad-

This is definitely a Hit-and-Run method, but it can be just as easily adapted to a Sit-and-Run style of play.

Hit-and-Run is well suited to a casino where they have lots of tables, and anyone can just walk around and place a bet on a table, at the moment of their choosing, and (win or lose) move on to the next table.

Repeat as long as you want.

The Gold Coast casino here in Las Vegas is perfect for this style of play...

Walk around, scrutinize the tote boards, and look for " OPPORTUNiSTIC" betting situations, where " the trend is your friend", or might just be favorable to a well-timed, well conceived plan like making a single MDB bet.

Nothing special, just use what you have learned to "pick your spot" to wager.

You can use a scorecard to keep track of wins and losses, just like you might when you sit down at a table of your choosing.

Don't have a lot of table selection where you play?

Well , just Sit-and-Run, then...

Just means you do not play every hand, you simply look for the best opportunities to wager and do so as they arise.

There is no magic to this.

I fully recognize the odds for making a single OTBL bet, an Opposite bet, or a Repeat bet are each 50/50

And by placing a single bet, then " waiting for" ( Sit-and-Run) , or " moving to another table" ( Hit-and-Run) to scout out your next bet does NOT change the odds of the game.

But if you know how to spot a NOR-like scenario, or you prefer to look for MDB type betting opportunities, or you understand 4D like I do, you can most definitely , AT THE LEAST, bet more strategically, which should improve your win percentage, and should make this type of strategy work in your favor.

If it's NOT working, either leave the casino, or take a break and assess WHY it's not working.

I have to admit, I do not ( ever) play on line, so it is difficult for me to assess whether or not this would be advantageous to you or not, so let me qualify this to say I only have a whole lot of B&M experience...none for on-line.

And I use this Hit-and-Run approach whenever I simply don't want to sit down and play virtually every hand, which I can do with Pretty much any " system "

BTW, I also did this very same thing the other day when I met up with W2F...he sat down at a table and played, and I walked around the tables and looked for single-bet betting opportunities.

It worked that day as well...but I have come to expect this.

It's just table selection on steroids.

I hope that answers your questions...( It's a lot simpler than perhaps I can express in writing, but it is simple...)

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Oh, and as for Roulette, I rarely play, so I am really not qualified to answer that question...

I have read some things about strategy, how to play, when to play, identifying betting opportunities, table selection, etc.

Lots of books written about Roulette, since the game has been around so long and is popular in pretty much any casino that has any table games at all.

And I have played some roulette, but I understand just enough to be an " average" player.

Perhaps someone else here on the forum could much better answer your question about roulette and how a Hit-and-Run strategy might be employed?

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I think the point of your post and system is not specifically the system itself but more the way you play in that you scout multiple tables looking for the best short term setups and best opportunities.

This system with OTBL I believe has merits but may not suit me exactly but I take what you are saying in that one can scout around and use whatever tools they have to find the best bets over multiple tables rather than have to sit at one table and possibly ride out the rough patches until they see the same opportunities.

More tables = more opportunities and more high % bets

I don't see why roulette would not be very similar except roulette has more of 'a mind of its own' in terms of no memory but it still has to have short term setups and biases or lack of bias because with 50/50 odds there has to be that.

Just bac to a degree I find more predictable in that once you put that 6 deck or 8 deck pile of cards in that shoe provided no cheating or auto shuffle the games is set right up to the last card

Thanks for this I see your point much clearer now.

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I think the point of your post and system is not specifically the system itself but more the way you play in that you scout multiple tables looking for the best short term setups and best opportunities.

This system with OTBL I believe has merits but may not suit me exactly but I take what you are saying in that one can scout around and use whatever tools they have to find the best bets over multiple tables rather than have to sit at one table and possibly ride out the rough patches until they see the same opportunities.

More tables = more opportunities and more high % bets

I don't see why roulette would not be very similar except roulette has more of 'a mind of its own' in terms of no memory but it still has to have short term setups and biases or lack of bias because with 50/50 odds there has to be that.

Just bac to a degree I find more predictable in that once you put that 6 deck or 8 deck pile of cards in that shoe provided no cheating or auto shuffle the games is set right up to the last card

Thanks for this I see your point much clearer now.

Then let me put a smile on your face, at least for now...

Roulette " strategies" tend to focus on a couple of things:

Bet placement ( location on the board, with one bet often encompassing several individual numbers), and the " math surrounding each bet placed, which is expressed in the payout amount "

How to deal with the 0/00 wheel we usually have here in the USA ( which is why Roulette has about a 5% +/- house advantage here in the states)

Dealer Signatures ( or not) ... some dealers can actually place the ball in a certain portion of the shoe...whether intentionally, or not

Sector Betting ( covers such topics as dealer signatures... the size, weight and composition of the ball...the height of the partitions between the numbers...etc...)

So, if that doesn't float your boat, or even if just NOW YOU UNDERSTAND that Roulette is just as subject ( likely way more!) to CasinoHouseStrategy tactics, I'm sure you'll read up on the subject, and find a " Roulette Ellis" as quickly as you can!!!

Hope this might help you focus your research...

And maybe save you a few bucks in the process...

Kevin

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thanks for that but playing Even chances I find most of the baccarat theory here works.

Short term NOR and netbet plays work and so does MDB+ with an extended trigger

I've actually got a list of triggers for biased shoes and roulette that I will post once I have more results to show their success (or not)

Kevin do you know or know of any pro roulette players?

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I know some who claim they know how to play Roulette as well as you and I might play baccarat, and I have heard of some who " claim to be" professionals...but that is something I cannot attest to

PM me if you want further info.

Again, I have never observed their play, nor do I consider myself " educated enough" to do anything other than pass information along to you...

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Hi K,

I've been playing this way for a week now. I kind of like it. Of course I must say this works best in casinos that have several tables open. Like Hustler or Normandie in Los Angeles have at least 15 tables going at any time after 12 noon. So this type of play suits it fine. And yes I still keep a scorecard while I walk around and I write down all the plays so I can calculate my win/loss ratios.

Thx

CT70

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