finding the correct system

[Tinman]

hi guys

i read the forum again and again - but i can´t find the answer

i try to find the correct system by using the sap count but it wont work good

so for example if I use s40 because the sap count shows this direction, it is changing and I lose more hands then I win

i cant find how to correctly change the system on a running game - so if I play s40 and the sap count shows a change to otb4l and I change, the game is also changing back and I lose again. I think the sap count is lagging a little bit

maybe me count is wrong?

I add 1 to each column after appearing for example 2iar i add 1 in the sap column "2"

hope somebody can help me(us)

thanks and greetings from vienna

chris & tom

[brad01]

Maybe not a case of selecting 1 system and playing it through the whole shoe and expecting to win with it

Nowadays the casinos shoes change bias quite a lot - maybe every 8 plays

It depends what type of cards you are playing and how they are set up.

You may need to check how regularly the bias changes and use short term setups to win a few units while they last and then look for the change and change then.

If you post a shoe you lost on then we can have a look

[Wendel]

hi guys

i read the forum again and again - but i can´t find the answer

i try to find the correct system by using the sap count but it wont work good

so for example if I use s40 because the sap count shows this direction, it is changing and I lose more hands then I win

i cant find how to correctly change the system on a running game - so if I play s40 and the sap count shows a change to otb4l and I change, the game is also changing back and I lose again. I think the sap count is lagging a little bit

maybe me count is wrong?

I add 1 to each column after appearing for example 2iar i add 1 in the sap column "2"

hope somebody can help me(us)

thanks and greetings from vienna

chris & tom

Hi Tinman,

Are you using the sap multipliers ?

If you are adding 1 to the 2 column, it seems like you are not using the sap multipliers .

1's use multiplier = 1 add 1 to the 1's column

2s use multiplier = 2 add 2 to the 2's column

3s use multiplier = 4 add 4 to the 3's

4+s use multiplier =4 add 4 to the 4's column

Doing it this way may make your decisions based on SAP more accurate.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Wendel
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[ECD]

hi guys

i read the forum again and again - but i can´t find the answer

i try to find the correct system by using the sap count but it wont work good

so for example if I use s40 because the sap count shows this direction, it is changing and I lose more hands then I win

i cant find how to correctly change the system on a running game - so if I play s40 and the sap count shows a change to otb4l and I change, the game is also changing back and I lose again. I think the sap count is lagging a little bit

maybe me count is wrong?

I add 1 to each column after appearing for example 2iar i add 1 in the sap column "2"

hope somebody can help me(us)

thanks and greetings from vienna

chris & tom

Some may strongly disagree with this, but IMO, SAP is useless in determining what system to play. Why? Because it is just a numerical expression the history. Learn to see the events to select how you want to play -- whether launching into a system to play until you reach a stop loss, or by looking for short betting sequences as brad mentioned. IMO, the latter is highly more profitable than the former.

If you use SAP counts to decide which system, it most shoes by the time the counts are really giving you a clear enough signal, it is likely you have already missed most or all of the opportunity for playing that system. When it works wel, it is in shoes where the bias just doesn't change, so when you decide SAP is telling you to play, say OTBL,nether bias just continues and you do well. But even in those shoes, by waiting for SAP counts to confirm its a neutral shoe, you will have started much later than when you saw maybe 232 -- a perfect set up to start OTBL.

I've said it before, but SAP is just a numerical expression of the history of events. Learn to see and understand the events as they are happening and you will be a much stronger baccarat player in all aspects of the game.

Now just so all the SAP supporters don't gang up on me and have me thrown off the board -- I do believe PLAYING SAP is different and can be done quite successfully by making a few bets at certain times as called for by the counts. PapaJoe has written about this and his approach is awesome. But that is very different than using SAP counts to select a NOR system.

[moneybac]

you sound right on with the sap,couldn't agree with you more.good write up.2+2=4 not 5.were do you play.sounds like they have shufflemaster with m3.am i right tell me.but they do get the 0dd shoe that goes from one end to the end with the same type,but it's rare.that's just to get you hooked