aizman Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Hi, I've been reading the forum and are considering signing up the subscription. But there are a few things I need to clarify: In where I live, there are only big casinos with a lot of tables (30/40+), but they only use pre-shuffled cards (all new cards) rolled-out to the tables. The dealer simply store them under the table and load them into the dealing machine when starting a new shoe. So each shoe is usually different from the last. From my observation, there seems to be all types of shoes being played out: long streaks, long opposites, player/banker bias, short streaks, short opposites, 2s, 3s, 4s...etc. Mostly its a mixture of several types. So its really difficult to determine what system to use on a new shoe. And even if you spot an on-going shoe with a clear trend, it often expire by the time you notices. Then again, I've also seen streaks so long its unbelievable: 17 player hands, halted by a single banker, then went on for 17 more players. (holy cow!) I need to know if the systems here (NOR, MDB, etc.) can work on such shoes that seem to produce any kind of bias/non-bias imaginable. I managed to learn what I can on the internet about NOR, through the free videos posted on youtube, other forums, etc. I can say NOR works great in a shoe with clear bias, but in a shoe that changes frequently, or with changing culprits, the -ve progression quickly adds up. Even if you limit to 4 or 5u max when losing, your bankroll is still quite -ve and needs a long time to crawl back. I often find myself grinding through a 1-2 hour shoe, only to end up back around zero. And those are the normal shoes. In bad ones I can crash-out in 20 hands. I'd like to know, If I subscribe, will I learn something to deal with such conditions? Or are there systems (MDB+?) designed specifically to deal with such. Thank you very much. Regards, AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aizman Posted January 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 A correction: Some of the tables (8-10) with lower limits do use a shuffle machine I think - they look different from the dealing machines in other tables. Those are open bet, no touch tables. I think they re-use the cards from previous shoes. I haven't paid much attention to them because they're usually crowded, but the 17+17 streak mentioned above was produced there. Maybe it has to do with the shuffling, perhaps I should check them out more come to think of it. Regards, AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 11, 2016 Users Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Preshuffled or hand shuffled whatever they are all hard Sometimes you get easy shoes but you can never count on it No matter what type of shoe you play it will either be strongly biased, or have no apparent bias or it will change between the 2 There are ways to win Sometimes you can make many units, sometimes only a few NOR can take advantage of biases, MDB+ can find bets when there is no easy bias Its all discussed in the forum NOR manual in original form assumes consistent bias whole way through If you don't see that which I doubt you will nowadays then you need to play short term NOR setups. Its all discussed in the forum That's way when the bias changes you also change the way you bet. What you described about long player run followed by another you can win with a one or 2 unit risk only If you want something for nothing don't join If you are looking for the next holy grail system don't join If you are committed to the game and prepared to put in the hard yards then join. Its your call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuqin Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) you will be wiped out if you use Nor or MDB. Go try. those systems will work in 1 shoe out of 10 shoes Edited January 12, 2016 by wuqin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 12, 2016 Users Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 28 minutes ago, wuqin said: you will be wiped out if you use Nor or MDB. Go try. those systems will work in 1 shoe out of 10 shoes LMAO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aizman Posted January 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Well, I mainly played at Resorts World. I'd like to know if those are factory-shuffled cards? And, are all the Resorts Worlds the same? Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, etc. Does that mean MDB+ works best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pando Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Both Resort World Sentosa and Marina Bay Sands use pre-shuffled cards I don't know about Genting in Malaysia or Philippines There are a lot of posts in the forum about shoes in Singapore indicating that the shoes there are difficult to play and they are not generally MDB+ shoes I found that to be true when I played there last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted January 12, 2016 Users Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 In regards to progressions I believe the following is a good description: A progression is like a credit card - get what you want now and pay it back with interest later Flat bet with selective 2 bets at the right time either positive or negative is like cash and cash is king A 2 bet at the right time is enough to get you through a bump in the road and also enough to maximise your wins The most successful players on this forum as far as I know seldom go past a 2 unit bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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