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[ItsMeFox]

Good day my Name is Fox, I played Baccarat in China recently.

I’m from Egypt and I don’t like to do posts and reply 2 much in any forums ever but I wanted to here as they have taught me how to win.

I wanted to thank BeatTheCasino.com as I played in Macau China with 221 system and NOR Baccarat.  I won almost every shoe I played and the win rate of 221 was so fast it was amazing. 

i really recommend this site to everyone  and premium membership of beat the casino is the best ever and well worth the few dollars month to read the post from other players and learn from each other.

Thank you Keith and Mike for helping me and helping me a far better way to play and bet on Baccarat.  I am planning to go back to Macau one day and hope we can all play together one day.

[avion]

Awesome post Fox, hope to hear more from you.

[William Looi]

17 hours ago, ItsMeFox said:

Good day my Name is Fox, I played Baccarat in China recently.

I’m from Egypt and I don’t like to do posts and reply 2 much in any forums ever but I wanted to here as they have taught me how to win.

I wanted to thank BeatTheCasino.com as I played in Macau China with 221 system and NOR Baccarat.  I won almost every shoe I played and the win rate of 221 was so fast it was amazing. 

i really recommend this site to everyone  and premium membership of beat the casino is the best ever and well worth the few dollars month to read the post from other players and learn from each other.

Thank you Keith and Mike for helping me and helping me a far better way to play and bet on Baccarat.  I am planning to go back to Macau one day and hope we can all play together one day.

Good to hear that you do well in Macau with NOR,  Can you show me how you use nor with this shoe that I attached

[brad01]

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[William Looi]

[Wendel]

11 hours ago, William Looi said:

Good to hear that you do well in Macau with NOR,  Can you show me how you use nor with this shoe that I attached

Hi William,

Ihope you don't mind my taking up your challenge to  play this shoe with NOR.

I have illustrated my play using Try's 4D analyzer. it works great ! Thanks Try

I started the shoe at play 5 with S40 and switched to OTB4L after the 23 starting at play 6. for illustrative purposes I flatbet the entire shoe . In reality  I would probably have made some 2 bets , but the bet placement would have been the same. my flatbet total was +8.

I am attaching the printout in 2 PDF's. I hope this works

WL 1 of 22.PDF

WL 2 of 22.PDF

Edited March 21, 2016 by Wendel

[William Looi]

my intention is to know how someone use NOR and make a lot of win while I also use NOR did  not success and fail I must have done incorrecly.  4D is different method which is not mention in NOR manual. The truth is i use O/R  to know if it is repeat (F) neutral (otb4l) opposite (S40) and use 1,2,3 negative progression. or should I use 1,2,3,4,5,6, negative progression.  If NOR is working and I make money I will not be using 3EM. I am not a premium member and can not down load TRY excel. If someone willing to teach me Kachatz!  5D method I am very willing to learn. My atmost is intention to make money in casino. 

[William Looi]

9 hours ago, Wendel said:

Hi William,

Ihope you don't mind my taking up your challenge to  play this shoe with NOR.

I have illustrated my play using Try's 4D analyzer. it works great ! Thanks Try

I started the shoe at play 5 with S40 and switched to OTB4L after the 23 starting at play 6. for illustrative purposes I flatbet the entire shoe . In reality  I would probably have made some 2 bets , but the bet placement would have been the same. my flatbet total was +8.

I am attaching the printout in 2 PDF's. I hope this works

WL 1 of 22.PDF

WL 2 of 22.PDF

If this shoe use F system with negative progression 1,2,3,4,5,6 can win more than 8 unites.

[William Looi]

9 hours ago, Wendel said:

Hi William,

Ihope you don't mind my taking up your challenge to  play this shoe with NOR.

I have illustrated my play using Try's 4D analyzer. it works great ! Thanks Try

I started the shoe at play 5 with S40 and switched to OTB4L after the 23 starting at play 6. for illustrative purposes I flatbet the entire shoe . In reality  I would probably have made some 2 bets , but the bet placement would have been the same. my flatbet total was +8.

I am attaching the printout in 2 PDF's. I hope this works

WL 1 of 22.PDF

WL 2 of 22.PDF

This shoe with system F1 mode 3 start from hand 10th until to the end , bet every hand will win a lot

[Wendel]

29 minutes ago, William Looi said:

This shoe with system F1 mode 3 start from hand 10th until to the end , bet every hand will win a lot

HI William,

Well, there you go. I thought that you did not care to play progs, so my intent was to demonstrate that

NOR could win without the risks associated with using up as you lose progs.

 I think that up as you win progs also deserve some consideration.

It is unfortunate that you don't have access to all the information in the premium forum.

I hope that you find something that you are comfortable with and achieves your goals.

wendel

[Wendel]

1 hour ago, William Looi said:

my intention is to know how someone use NOR and make a lot of win while I also use NOR did  not success and fail I must have done incorrecly.  4D is different method which is not mention in NOR manual. The truth is i use O/R  to know if it is repeat (F) neutral (otb4l) opposite (S40) and use 1,2,3 negative progression. or should I use 1,2,3,4,5,6, negative progression.  If NOR is working and I make money I will not be using 3EM. I am not a premium member and can not down load TRY excel. If someone willing to teach me Kachatz!  5D method I am very willing to learn. My atmost is intention to make money in casino. 

Hi William,

I personally have stopped using the o/r count and use SAP high 1's and 2's to select S40, High 2's and 3's to select OTB4L. If you are going to use a negative progression , I would not go beyond a 123 4. If I don't see F or SS early i usually miss it.

I usually play a 121 2 progression. this is very low risk and almost as effective as 123 4 .

the 121 is up as you lose. if I win the 3rd bet (1 unit) I can optionally make a 2 unit bet to recover the loss of the 

first 2 bets . this can get you past more tough spots with less risk than a 123 4.... negative prog.

I jave also found that quite often may losing 2 bets equal my winning 2 bets , leaving me with 

the result of my 1 bets , effectively flat betting. 

 

 

 

[William Looi]

1 hour ago, Wendel said:

Hi William,

I personally have stopped using the o/r count and use SAP high 1's and 2's to select S40, High 2's and 3's to select OTB4L. If you are going to use a negative progression , I would not go beyond a 123 4. If I don't see F or SS early i usually miss it.

I usually play a 121 2 progression. this is very low risk and almost as effective as 123 4 .

the 121 is up as you lose. if I win the 3rd bet (1 unit) I can optionally make a 2 unit bet to recover the loss of the 

first 2 bets . this can get you past more tough spots with less risk than a 123 4.... negative prog.

I jave also found that quite often may losing 2 bets equal my winning 2 bets , leaving me with 

the result of my 1 bets , effectively flat betting. 

 

 

 

what is your stop lost and profit target, 

[William Looi]

12 minutes ago, William Looi said:

what is your stop lost and profit target, 

Do you bet every hand until end or do you choose bias shoes and avoid random shoe

[Wendel]

Hi william,

My normal stop loss is 8, but if I choose, I can bail out sooner.

My normal stop win is 10. If i hit 10, I will make 1 more bet to get past 10, If I lose i quit with 9

If I win I will continue , but won't go below 10. I think there are some strategies in the NOR manual that address this. If I have made a comeback from -5 or -6 I will consider quitting with any positive result depending on how far into the shoe I am and other factors. If I become tired or  uncomfortable for any reason I will consider leaving.with whatever profit I have.

I usually have only 1 table and try to enter after 3 or 4 events at least ,  I usually want to be able to determine what system to play. This works similar to 3Em triggers . if i can see which system would be winning I will start with that system. if the shoe starts with a 4iar ZZ or ST , I will start betting on the run. and plan to play S40M1.

I see some shoes that I can't figure out what is going on. I should pass these or wait. 

I see very few random shoes(suitable for MDB+) . I pretty well have to put MDB+ out of my mind in a biased shoe,because the MDB+ triggers will affect my judgement.

Ideally , I will get to my stop win before the bias changes.

 

Edited March 21, 2016 by Wendel

[William Looi]

18 hours ago, Wendel said:

18 hours ago, Wendel said:

Hi william,

My normal stop loss is 8, but if I choose, I can bail out sooner.

My normal stop win is 10. If i hit 10, I will make 1 more bet to get past 10, If I lose i quit with 9

If I win I will continue , but won't go below 10. I think there are some strategies in the NOR manual that address this. If I have made a comeback from -5 or -6 I will consider quitting with any positive result depending on how far into the shoe I am and other factors. If I become tired or  uncomfortable for any reason I will consider leaving.with whatever profit I have.

I usually have only 1 table and try to enter after 3 or 4 events at least ,  I usually want to be able to determine what system to play. This works similar to 3Em triggers . if i can see which system would be winning I will start with that system. if the shoe starts with a 4iar ZZ or ST , I will start betting on the run. and plan to play S40M1.

I see some shoes that I can't figure out what is going on. I should pass these or wait. 

I see very few random shoes(suitable for MDB+) . I pretty well have to put MDB+ out of my mind in a biased shoe,because the MDB+ triggers will affect my judgement.

Ideally , I will get to my stop win before the bias changes.

 

Hi william,

My normal stop loss is 8, but if I choose, I can bail out sooner.

My normal stop win is 10. If i hit 10, I will make 1 more bet to get past 10, If I lose i quit with 9

If I win I will continue , but won't go below 10. I think there are some strategies in the NOR manual that address this. If I have made a comeback from -5 or -6 I will consider quitting with any positive result depending on how far into the shoe I am and other factors. If I become tired or  uncomfortable for any reason I will consider leaving.with whatever profit I have.

I usually have only 1 table and try to enter after 3 or 4 events at least ,  I usually want to be able to determine what system to play. This works similar to 3Em triggers . if i can see which system would be winning I will start with that system. if the shoe starts with a 4iar ZZ or ST , I will start betting on the run. and plan to play S40M1.

I see some shoes that I can't figure out what is going on. I should pass these or wait. 

I see very few random shoes(suitable for MDB+) . I pretty well have to put MDB+ out of my mind in a biased shoe,because the MDB+ triggers will affect my judgement.

Ideally , I will get to my stop win before the bias changes.

 

Hi Wendel,  I have try 1212 progression before and had experience W L W L W L W L L W L before how do you handle this 

[Wendel]

3 hours ago, William Looi said:

Hi Wendel,  I have try 1212 progression before and had experience W L W L W L W L L W L before how do you handle this 

I work a little better with Baccarat examples rather than abstract strings of wins and losses , I am not  sure that I would 

even bet on coin flips.

the 121 2 prog is meant to replace the 123 1 prog or 123 4 playing baccarat with the guidelines outlined in 

in the NOR Baccarat manual

If this were baccarat you would have a zz run  P B P B P B P B B P B

and be placing all your bets on player             WLWLWLWLWLLWL.

I don't think that you would use the 123 1 or 123 4 prog here, so 

I don't think it is fair to expect a miracle from 121 2 ,

I am not sure that I would do this , but I might If I were playing strongside.

after the second loss I am up 1 unit for the series using either prog.

At this point I would try to decide if I want to continue betting player or switch to banker

Am I playing mode 2 or mode 3 ?

will the strong side switch to banker here ?

But in the end I would be even for the series of bets.

I have lost 4 units since my last win. Depending on other factors in the game,

I might start a side count of -4 and start an up as you win prog on my next win

to recover the -4.

you are welcome, Brad.