Norm A
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Most leaders are like that, not much to say but we listen to them all the. Same...
Looking forward to the final chapter of "The Twist"
CC
I wonder if it will come before the seminar.
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Worst thing we could do is get Dr. E .all upset about politix...we have a lot of compadres relying on him this weekend to be on his "A" game.
I think you missed my point.
I didn't ask about Obamacare
Like Obama's speeches I've never heard so many words that said so little.
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YES, Dr. E told me back in 2010....4 years ago.
I did not "listen" properly then, and I hope YOU do not make the same mistake....as it will cost you A LOT OF MONEY
I MEAN IT...
A LOT OF MONEY.
until now...
because here is your chance to get it all back...
Hi kachatz1
Sorry to interrupt you in the middle of all your post, but just one quick question,
Are you the guy that writes the speeches for Obama?
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this is the maverick way?[/QUOT
Like "Maverick" from this forum ,from Hawaii? ( you're not serious, are you?)
or Bret Maverick...aka James Garner? (not)
or Tom Cruise, who played Pete "Maverick" Mitchell in a "famous movie" ? ( not even close....)
None of the above.
Even better.
It is THE TWIST.
Soon you will know it. And likely it will be covered in detail in Ellis' 4D seminar.
http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110&p=548#post548
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You're talking to yourself again....
What's worse, is it don't make any sense to me?
But it just might be me.
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kachatz,
I really appreciate the honest reply. I will start practicing with real cards and I found some blank scoresheets to use. As far as online practicing...that is something I would be interested in but without actually betting real money (if such exists) I thought online baccarat shuffles after every hands so wouldn't that be worthless to practice the NOR approach with?
Thanks again for your time.
Go here to practice.
http://www.blackorchidcasino.com/getting-started/demo-live-games
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If Ellis gives it the tick of approval...I'll be happy to share...LOL
That's what this place is all about.
Oz
Perhaps you can get to use your new scanner. LOL
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No, more than likely not. I would have got in sooner with S40 M3. You beat everything until you get to the 4. There the system is telling you to bet on the 4 that it will go 5. Since it is your first 4 bet, you should bet 1 unit ON the run. BUT, look at the shoe. Nothing more than 2 3s. 1's, 2s and 3's are all way above normal. Very extreme chop thus far. Personally I just could't bet that there is suddenly going to be a 5 in such a consistently choppy shoe. I would be extremely inclined to bet 4 units straight down, that the 4 will stay 4. No, it's not a book play. It is a gut play based on experience and I've made that bet hundreds of times playing both S40 M3 and F3 in super chop shoes with no runs. It USUALLY works.
Remember, S40M3 beats 1's, 2s, AND 3s - EVERYTHING in that shoe- until you get to the 4. You win every progression and you are up a lot of units, what are you going to do? I know what I would do.
Ellis, what do you mean four units straight down isn't that going on the run, do you mean four units opposite side ??
Are you saying straight down from the four in a row ?
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Check this out. The Wizard says the house edge in BJ is 0.28%. That is far less than the edge in Bac, no matter how you calculate it. A quarter of 1%.
That is close to nothing. Virtually all BJ players play Basic Strategy.
So, on a Sat afternoon with a full casino, on a walk through the BJ tables, you SHOULD see nearly half of the BJ players winning. At least half of the BS BJ players should be winning if those odds are correct. But, in fact, you'll be lucky to find even one winner. So, are those odds wrong? No, they are exactly right. They just aren't real world. 0.28% is based on random cards. And you'll never see random cards at any BJ table on a Sat afternoon. In fact you'll never see random cards in any mature BJ game with multiple players.
How does this relate to Bac? Well the same shuffles and machines are used. I can tell you this much. Players that play that all events will work out to their normal random frequencies - do the worst! Players that play biases do the best. What's another word for biased? Non-random. Predictable.
Hi Ellis
I don't ever remember hearing the term (normal random frequencies)
Could you please explain to me what normal random frequencies is.
Thanks
Norm
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I see what you're saying. I stuck to NOR just for the simplicity. With 4D I am having difficulty with the speed of the dealers but I am becoming faster at the count.. Here are some shoes I paper played with at one of my practice visits. I tagged the shoes ABCDEF. I exited the casino with -3 units that night. Then I came back a few days later hit and running the tables and exited with +10 units.
A-shoe
B11221154111
P2621111114
P21113111221
B-shoe
P22212128
P112131111422
B2161124
C-shoe
P12136112111
P111511624
B532121
D-shoe
P21421253
P111112121324
B25721231111
E-shoe
P22111132421
B112112112116
B5231422
F-shoe
B10,1112113
B2222321321
P522243
These are Land Based shoes from Matrix Casino. . I posted these shoes as a good practice to share.
This was a couple days before New Years. (Side Note F-shoe Started with Banker 10 streak.)
Hi Jdean
Do you think it would be possible for you to put these shoes on a scorecard and post the scorecards to show us how you played them.
This would be very helpful for some members to see how they were played and learn by then.
It does not matter if they were a winning or a losing shoe.
Thanks
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Norm, I'm sure you can check with the Wizard of Odds but you are paying more commission. It is just collected a different way. Instead of paying 5% on Bank wins they are calling specific Bank wins a push instead of a win. That works out to more than 5% commission. So even forgetting the sucker bets, overall EZ Bac favors the casino slightly more than when commission is collected the standard way. I like to play it too but only because it is faster - not because it has better odds - it doesn't.
BTW, 5% commission on Bank wins works out to 1.25% of the money bet.
Even forgetting the Bank edge and assuming you bet Bank half the time and that Bank wins half the time, that makes commission 5%/4 = 1.25%. The Bank edge makes the casino edge even greater.
This is a link to the company who invented EZ Bac with their description of the odds.
http://www.deq.com/en/table-games/ez-baccarat-math.php
This is a link to wizardofodds with the house for EZ Bac (even though he is using a six deck shoe it would not make that much difference in a shoe eight deck shoe)= House edge = 1.02
http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/appendix/6/#ezbaccarat
This is a link to wizardofodds with the house for the regular game with commission.= House edge = 1.06
http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/
But rather then getting into a pissing contest about the house edge, as the difference between the two is so small it really does not make all that much difference overall.
Putting the mathematics and the house edge aside,
IMO and the way I see it, when I lived in Vegas for four years played EZ Bac about 80% of the time when I was able to get a seat at this game,
I don't know how it is now but about two years ago the Red Rock Casino had two Bac tables, one was EZ Bac and the other was a commission table, the commission table was always empty and you had to get on the waiting list to play the EZ Bac table. The same was true when the MGM had EZBac. and the same was true at Gold Coast casino.
I don't know what the time frame was when you played EZBac in AC but it is possible that the game was so new that players were not familiar with it and shyed away from it at that time. It is a whole different story today.
The bottom line is, regardless what the math says when I am finished playing the shoe at EZBac I have more money in my pocket as I don't have to shell out $500 or more for commissions.
Some people will say that if you had banker bet and a three card seven came out for bank that you lost your bet, the way I see I did not lose anything you cannot lose what you do not have, it would be no different then if they tie came out it is a push either way.
In most of the shoes that I played I very seldom encountered a three card seven when I was betting for banker, most shoes only have one or two, three card seven for banker, and many shoes never have any.
Another factor that is important is that the way I play I do not bet every hand as many players do (on average I will bet about 50% of the hands in the shoe) , playing every hand will increase your exposure to the three card seven on banker.
My math tells me that every time I play EZBac I have more money in my pocket.
Please, I hope nobody's going to tell me it's better for me because I play bigger units and pay higher commissions, no matter what size unit you play it's all relative.
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Not sure why you are looking for such casinos scottbanks. You'll actually be paying even more commission and the other bets offered are sucker bets.
Although the game does usually run a little faster. EZ bac is fine but why limit yourself to it when it has no odds advantage.
I am not quite sure why you say that you would actually be paying even more commission.
As long as you do not make the sucker bets, NO commission is NO commission !!.
The FEW times that the Dragon comes out in a shoe it will ONLY affect you if you HAPPEN to be betting on banker at that time,
and even at that it is a PUSH not a loss.
If this game gave the casino an edge the MGM and Wynns would not have removed it after they tried it for a few months. They removed it because they were losing money with it.
BTW the house edge for EZ Bac is slightly less then regular Baccarat. 1.02 for EZ Bac as compared to 1.06
Personally I would rather play EZBac any day of the week rather than pay 5% commission on my banker wins.
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Hey Guys,
I am heading to Vegas this month and am staying on the Strip. What casinos on the Strip have EZ Baccarat (no-commission baccarat with the Dragon 7 and Panda 8 side bets)?
I know Gold Coast has it, but I am looking for a Strip casino which has it. Does anyone know?
You help is much appreciated!
Thanks & Good Luck to everyone in 2014!!
Most of the strip casinos that had EZ do not have it anymore the only two that I know on the strip that might still have it is the Monte Carlo or the Paris but that was over a year ago.
There are other casinos besides Gold Coast that has EZ Baccarat, the Redrock Casino and all the stations casinos have it.
Here is the email address of the owner of EZ baccarat, his name is Lue, I had his phone number but I cannot find it any longer as it has been some time ago, also not sure if this email address is still valid.
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Well, remember we got hacked by those pros and were never able to retrieve those shoe scans and play by plays.
That is really not the point, if we were able to go back and see the shoe scans and play buys it would not mean a thing as they were from old systems.
The point is that it was an excellent way of learning and should be implemented for the future by every member of this forum.
BTW, what I am proposing is not for my benefit I am set in my way of playing, what I am proposing will help many of the new members who are having frustrating times with learning.
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Totally agree.
That's precisely the way I learned NOR - by printing out the six sample shoes and comparing it to the manual.
Reading the theory is great, but seeing actual examples - with corrections added where needed - is priceless.
Ha, six sample shoes!
There should have been hundreds of sample shoes from all the members.
How priceless would that have been ?
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The Way It Was
If you all would go back into the forum about 4 or 5 years and read some of the post you will see The Way It Was back then.
Back then when we played a shoe we would scan and post our scorecard the way we played it, and others would critique and point out the mistakes, then scan it and re post it.
You will find the see hundreds of SC's that were posted.
This was the best way to learn as others would also see the mistakes and learn from them, otherwise how would somebody know how to help you if they don’t know what you were doing.
All the members would see this and benefit by each other’s scorecards and mistakes and critiques.
Don’t be ashamed or embarrassed to post your score on the way you played it, this is how we learn by our mistakes.
Also when someone had a tough shoe that they wanted the members to play for them, they would put the shoe on a SC and post it, not just put up the shoe as a shortcut and expect others to put it on the scorecard in order to play it for them. (Just common courtesy)
Even many of your questions could be put on a scorecard scanned and posted.
This visual way of learning was far better than what I see today with hand-by-hand verbal description.
Look what happened recently when Jerry posted his scorecard, look at the interest and participation it created and the benefit that came from it.
I truly believe that if everyone (including our teacher) would start doing things the way we did back then you would all learn much more and faster, and get so much more out of this forum.
Please don’t tell me what I heard dozens of times in the past, which is my scanner don’t work or I don’t have a scanner or I don’t know how to post a SC on the forum.
Scanners are cheap you can get a good scanner for around $50 that’s about three or four net bets at the table.
As for not knowing how to post a SC, I could tell you that I am probably the most computer illiterate person on this form, if I was able to learn how to do it I am sure most of you can also.
I am sure there are some computer geeks on this forum that can give detailed instructions as to how to post a SC.
I hope I did not come on too strong with this post, but it is the best and fastest way to learn it’s the way I and many others have learned back then “The Way It Wasâ€.
I am sure that some of the old timers will chime here and attest to what I am saying.
Even to this day there is a small group of us that exchange SC on a weekly basis.
Okay guys and gals I could lead a horse to water but I can't make him drink the ball is now in your court.
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And maybe a briefcase or leather portfolio to carry our scorecards and pencils. It would also be handy as a lap table
in case the the bac table is very crowded.
Sorry to late Santa skipped town a half-hour ago.
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Do you know something that I don't what are you talking about, what competition?
trbfla
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I hear ya Norm,
But competition is coming to Florida very very soon. Then things change.
Do you know something that I don't what are you talking about, what competition?
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And a witty dealer without attitude......
That is exactly why I don't play at the hard rock casinos in Florida
Every single dealer and pitiless has an attitude, too bad they are the only game in town.
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I haven't even heard of the e-mail seminar. Please tell me how you found out about it .
Thanks in Advance.
Wendel
It is possible that he might be confused with the Webinar.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS to all BACC-A-ROOS everywhere. One and All!
May Santa bring you a whole ream of 1/4" grid paper from Wal-Mart.
PJ
How about a red and blue pen to go along with it.
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Hey Lawrence!
Welcome to our world....
IBS in medical terminology stands for Irritable Bowel Syndrome...not sure how it worked its way into the Baccarat vernacular, but look it up online...
One of the last things you want to experience playing BAC, just when you are ready to make that really big bet...
Regards,
Kevin
LOL Love it.
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Hi this is my first post ever in this forum. Hi everyone!
A little info about me: After 2 weeks of joining and investing in the NOR manual, I was able to earn my investment and a little more with only 4 casino visits. The first casino visit I just paper gambled to see how I did. I had a lot of fear and anxiety until I started to see the biases. So that brings me to learn 4D.
I studied the lingo and did multiple searches in this forum to understand. I made many mistakes yesterday when using 4D counting at the casino. I wasn't able to keep up, I made mistakes on the count and it was the first time I exited a casino a loser. Then today I was able to keep up and I doubled my bank roll because I tracked the shoe biases and saw a lot of counts being "in Jail". I see it very clearly with the 4D count! Now I am confident with table selecting and using NOR with 4D counting!
Thanks Ellis!
Hi Jdean
Congratulations on your excellent playing, and your success at winning your investment back,
you are without a doubt one of the fastest learners that there ever was on this forum.
Keep up the good work.
BTW, where are you from and what casino do you play at?
Chubby Checker...perhaps it was Ellis, after all
in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack
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Sorry don't really know what you mean
I lived in Vegas for four years and played every day, it did not mess me up?????