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  1. NOR Sample Instructional Sample Games

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Yes Katchatz, I will do a play by play as promised. But no , these are not the same 6 shoes I played with Dave. I'll ask Dave to post those also and we will do play by plays on those as well. The shoes posted are actually only 3 different shoes each played 123 4 and with the 234/345 progs. I selected these because they represent all three NOR systems. I think all 6 of Dave's recorded shoes were S40 as I recall and I got out much earlier. These posted here I played all the way through so we can discuss where to quit. But they are all played exactly to the new manual. Well except for the one mistake I made in the first shoe which I left in to show you how careful you need to be when changing columns.

    The scores are high but not high for the high number of hands played in each shoe. The PA shoes are probably even higher scores per hands played.

    Recognize that in actual casino play I would certainly have not played these shoes all the way to the end. But I usually do that for sample shoes only because they are samples. But I think every play is precisely to the manual.[/quote)

    Got it, and thanks.

    My wife has a degree in Chemistry and a Doctorate in Pharmacy...I point this out only becuz sometimes mixing chemicals together causes "unintended consequences", just like taking the wrong prescription drugs together ( or in the wrong proportions) can kill a person!

    Sim-to safeguarding our bankroll at the table, while I have no doubt that "every play is according to the book", you have the 160 IQ + you wrote the book !

    And a fine book indeed to simplify how, when, where and why We Can All Win A Majority Of Shoes Played!

    I am especially interested in helping the new, younger players as us "Lifers" tend to have a greater experience factor with the game which allows us to comprehend the nuances much quicker...

    Keep up the good work!

  2. NOR Sample Instructional Sample Games

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    The post office was open so I was able to pick them up.

    Please see attached

    Ellis-

    Is there a doctor in the house?

    Great shoes, but before everyone else asks , can you give us a 'PLAY-BY-PLAY' analysis of just exactly what you did, one hand at a time, why you changed sides when you did, what aspect of NOR made up your mind to play that way, etc. etc?

    Start at the beginning of each shoe, walk us thru your process, maybe a shoe at a time? Not all in one day. let's debate/discuss/digest all the finer points of NOR in action, before we move to the next shoe?

    Remember the analogy about feeding the man a fish ( feeds him for a for a day) , versus teaching him 'how-to-fish' ( to feed him for a lifetime) ?

    Thanks and you are sure to generate a whole lot of good dialogue on the forum...

    And when you are explaining it all to us, show us all how you calculate the PA% for each shoe, and in total for the 6 shoes....could take a number of days, to explain all the shoes, and even overlap the Vegas seminar and make it even more successful!!

    Maybe David ImSpirit himself will weigh in on this since he was there while these were played...

    This should really "seal-the-deal" that NOR is truly the best way to play, ever!

    Thanks and have a great Vegas seminar! Once people really grasp how you applied NOR to each-and-every hand of these shoes, they will be capable of condensing years of "trial-and-error" BAC lay into a short manual of style and approach...likely saving them many thousands of dollars and disappointment!

  3. NOR Manual Questions

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Hi K,

    Can you explain a little detail what mode and system you were playing particularly on [5] and [7] in the first shoe. [4] and [5] are on the second shoes. How do you approach the OTR?

    P212 [5] 1122414 [7] 11111121

    B422321 [4] 122 [5]

    Thanks,

    B-

    pretty simple

    I look back 5 hands PB , etc, and i ALSO USE THE NUMERICAL VALUES OF THE CARDS PLAYED to make my decisions...P.S. This is my method only, and while I have talked about it on the forum, I know Ellis does not attach a lot of significance to it.

    I am not here to disagree with him, I AM JUST EXPLAINING HOW FOR ME IT WORKS...

    And how it works involves regression to the normal values 0f 1's, 2's , 3/'s etc in a shoe, even thought I know there are many, many posts about how this is "playing backwards"

    Best i can explain is I combine PLAY IT BACKWARDS ( regression to the norm) + PLAY IT FORWARD ( play what the shoe is telling you to play) and make a decision from there. I combine with where i stand in the shoe, +/- as far as win/loss and make a decision which side to bet on.

    We have talked repeatedly on this forum that NOTHING WORKS ALL THE TIME STRICTLY MECHANICAL.. I agree, and this is why I combine the numerical values and regression- to-the-mean approaches with NOR.. ( I explained both concepts at the PA session).

    I can only say that it is very effective for me personnally, and i refuse to even engage in conversations about Zumma testing, yada, yada, yada

    I hope this helps, but if not call me at 850-687-3128 and we will review...

    Thanks and good luck!

  4. NOR Manual Questions

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Ok, all you NOR junkies, here is an interesting set of circumstances...I just returned home from a trip to the Rivers Casino in Chicago, and this is the actual experience...

    Arrived mid shoe about 4:30 pm shoe #1 and exited just shy of mid shoe shoe # 2 at around 7pm...yes, it took almost 2-1/2 hours to play the equivqlent of one shoe! so much for the bad news...

    Here is how the cards played out:

    P21251122414711111121 ( end of shoe #1)

    B42232141225 ( until I left part way through shoe #2)

    Guess what? Notice in less than 70 hands total, way low on 1's and only one 3...so given this kind of disparity, guess who the big winner was at the table? no one else even came close...

    so I give an awful lot of the credit to Ellis and the members of this forum for contributing to a well thought out, time tested, leave the guess-work at home approach to the game...FYI, I should mention that the friend I mentioned in my last post thread accompanied me to the casino with his $500 chip, and we left and he had the chip and the equivalent of 4 more of them in cash in his pocket!

    In all fairness he DID buy my wife and I dinner last night, but I reciprocated with a Turkey burger and a few helpful hints tonight...

    Does BTC rock, or what???

  5. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Paul, may I suggest using Black Orchid online casino for such an idea? They have live dealers (in comparison to dead ones) and a chat area to go with it. Since USA based players can't use real currency, I doubt the Black Orchid officials who look on there would care less. If we just posted in the real time chat box,whether we are placing our bets on either P or B,number of units and the results as we went along during the shoe. We just need to find a day and time that would be good for the ones who want to participate.

    Just an idea I want to throw out to you all.

    Ciao

    Joey

    Good idea ..not sure how to choose a time that works for all, other than to just pick one and post on the forum and whoever can play does so?

    I just went to BlackOrchid.com and it was easy to set up an account...

  6. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    2 on P...F3 for P side. Now at +5 again.

    Bill

    bill, I think the rest of the team has left the shoe, and perhaps wisely so!

    I hope everyrone is sticking to their stop-loss and stop win objectives, just like Elllis preaches..

    Well, it was a player, P8 B2

    Leaves us as follows for the shoe:

    From the Beginning :

    PP

    BBBB

    P

    B

    P

    B

    PPP

    B

    PP

    B

    PP

    B

    P

    B

    PPPPP

    BBBB

    PP

    B

    PP

    B

    P

    BBB

    P

    BBB

    PPPP

    In the interest of time, I will flash forward and tell you I finished up 18 units, less 1.9 units for B commission, tips and the cocktail waitress

    here is how the shoe finished out...any one wants to see the real things and all my notations pm me with your fax number/email address and I will scan it to you

    from the above point here is what happened:

    B2312211112111312

    Tomorrow, I will talk about the whole shoe and my thoughts on How NOR, Sap etc kept me in the game...

    In the meantime, happy Sunday to all and I hope you and your families are all in good spirits and Health!!

  7. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Once again, out comes the Player

    Now 3rd street at BPBBBPPP

    I say follow the Player and will wager 2 units...I am at +13 units and hoping to improve...the pace of play is slow, as there are now people betting over-the-top of players at our table...interesting about half the players at the table betting B, and some of us staying on the mini-P run to go to 4-in- a-row

    I think most players prefer the streak and over chop, and I think that is why we have so many players standing behind the table..just IMO

  8. Article: Re: NOR Training Seminar in PA August 13th

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Ellis and Keith-

    You guys rock!

    Have just played all or part of 14 shoes at two casinos in the last 48 hours...Rivers Casino in Chicago and Potowatomi Casino in Milwaukee.

    At Rivers' date=' we had an unbelievable, hi-fivin', give and take game going in the BIG BAC room for almost 5 hours... To my right were two nice Asian girls, both good old Americans...one the Ellis type, one the Keithster

    To my left were a nice couple named Chris and Meagan, plus another gentleman of Asian descent who is no stranger to the game.

    Filling in were players coming and going

    so the Professor to my right was keeping me grounded, while her BFF was turning over

    my cards since I am too Type A for the pace of Big Bac...every time we won, The Professor explained to me in great detail just how and why, while her friend implored me to give her some $$ for her card skills

    And to my left, Chris and I were caucusing on what to do and why, often betting opposite one another, and many times on our consensus, while the gentleman to the left of me kept reminding me that since I do no like to dick around with playing the cards 2-side, 3-side, Etc that he was THE BUS DRIVER and could play the cards like Beethoven's 5th Symphony...

    OK so after all this time...what happened?

    .

    My girls both walked away with nada nickel ..., Chris and Meagan moved to the other table in the room, and THE BUS DRIVER left the scene. Over five hours, and I had tipped the dealer several hundred $$ ( actually way more) , the cocktail waitress never, ever left me dehydrated, and I left with $3 large in my pocket ( you add the '000's)

    A few hours sleep, 10 hours at the office , and drive 80 miles north to Potowatomi Casino in Milwaukee...

    Worked the bars for five hours promoting our YES Vodka brand [url']www.yesvodka.com

    And back to the tables.. ( YES! The same tables the subject of my DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME post still

    going on)

    Again, the same cast-of-BAC- junkies, every single one of them been there/ done that/ got the t-shirt ... Started off having to stand in the gallery at one of the tables betting "over top" of players ( Friday night at 2 am and you'd think there would be a seat?)

    NOT!!!!

    I will spare you the details of 5 hours of play, but once again winner-winner, chicken-dinner ( finally looked it up on the Internet the other day...NOW I get it!)

    My point is this:

    You two are the perfect counter balance to one another...just like The Skipper and Gilligan, just like Ying and Yang, you provide the perfect mix of advice/ counsel/ everyday common sense tips and reminders of how to play this game! Even having played for over 15 years myself, I am constantly replaying in my mind the principles of NOR / SAP, etc, etc and making my next bet...

    in summary, you guys ROCK and if you will forever be the first two entrants in my Baccarat Hall Of Fame.

  9. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    well, that's a deep subject,1's still mc,2's lc,still like F2,have to go 2 banker

    old ad campaign

    I am stuck on BandAids, cause BandAids stuck on you....

    So prepare for the Ouchee...Another Player P7 B6

    Looked right, looked left....everyone at the table said another Player!

    I agree for 2 units

    ( be careful what the crowd mentality says to do..)

    Ladies and gentleman ( not sure anyone here qualifies). PLACE YOUR BETS.

  10. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    2 on B - 3's go to 4's

    Agreed that 50% Do, and 50% don't ( if only we knew which-was-which!) OOps, we did it again...all of us!

    Player came out P7 B1

    Now 3rd street ( warminc's easy street...) looks like this :

    B1131

    So I looked back at P only and noticed the following for the shoe:

    PP P P PPP PP PP .... up through the last P ( 1 unconfirmed)... looks to me like P 2-or-more was a solid bet...What the hey, I am back down to +9 , so decided at that point in the shoe to go 2 units on P ( Lose last hand go up, win go down, right?)...Kind of doubting myself after last sequence BBB P BBB P, but no pain, no gain...give it a whirl...each side still seems to have some "follow" attributes to it...Bill, I think you mentionned a number of posts back ADN? Well, when I was playing the shoe, of course you not there to "urge me on", but curious to see what other perspectives on NOR would say to do, all things considered..

    HOW MUCH TO BET, AND WHY?

    Let's discuss as my bet is purely speculative, and have "sat on my hands" twice this shoe for 4-5 hands each time, so I am a bit "antsy" at this juncture... Oh, and here comes he cocktail waitress!

    Let me explain: I have 3 superstitions:

    a) cocktail waitress arrives just as i place a big bet...oops!

    B) all of a sudden, new money flows into the table and it causes a commotion/ruckus/discussion about the game

    c) for whatever reason, the dealer 'TOUCHES' MY BET' , for whatever reason whatsoever,( like to make some sort of adjustment, center it in the circle, check vis-a-vis table limits, etc.)

    Oh well, the cards have been dealt so too late to change...besides, maybe a cup of coffee is in order right about now...

  13. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    2 on B. I'm +8...if I lose, I'm out at +6. We're on 3rd street and the shoe is still meandering around. Like I said, I'll get out with a small win if I lose this bet.

    Bill

    3rd street...seems like every city has one...too bad we could not all find ourselves on Easy Street

    Well, stick around a little longer...Banker wins B9 P7, so I am still in F mode on Bank and will wager another 2 units...Have come this far...

    Nothing seems way out of whack...O/R, P/B, SAP, all basically trending pretty close to their "NORM" for this shoe...some anomalies, but nothing real significant seems to me...Can this shoe be beaten? ( well, they all can be beaten, and they all can beat you...just depends on how well you read the tea leaves, apply NOR, and of course some luck and MM for good measure always seems to help...)I look over at the other two tote boards at tables 2 and 3, and see pretty much the same going on...they are both full and SRO now, so i decide to stay put and ride this out

    So far:

    PP BBBB P B P B PPP B PP B PP B P B PPPPP BBBB PP B PP B P BBB P B

  15. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    The SAP count tells me it is an S40 shoe. The runs

    will occur and we have to ride them out or perhaps

    take advantage of them. As of now I will continue

    to bet that 2's stay 2's and 3's go to 4's. If it goes

    to 4 I will stay OTR.

    Lots of good dialogue S40, F,etc

    Well Banker comes out B8 P0, so now 3 B's in a row.

    Top of Column 3 now at B1 ... I will stay on Bank for another hand since we have just hab the 3 banks....

  16. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    You're right Ellis, I should have given more explanation for my bet and prog thoughts. I had considered the 234 earlier if Bank had gone just once since at that point I had 6 winning first bets and one second winning bet. The start of the Bank run, causing me two losses iar has made me hold back until I see a strong first bet win rate again.

    My next bet...1 on B. Currently +6.

    Well, all good things must come to an end...Player comes out on top P9 B4

    Leaves us P11541 in second column...here I am back down to +4 for the 4th time in the shoe! I Know I should just stop now, and I decide given limited table selection To just sit out next few hands...I DID record all hands do I will show you what happened up through hand 40, end of 2nd column, and will resume from there...

    From the beginning:

    PP BBBB P B P B PPP B PP B PP B

    P B PPPPP BBBB PP B PP B P BB

    So seems to me this says F.O.L.L.O.W. And I therefore start betting again At top of column 3 at hand 41 with one unit on the Banker...

  21. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    Hello kachatz1

    you use your 1,1,2,2,4 progression either when you lose or win right?

    what do you use this progression instead of U1D2M2.

    thanks

    just using it this shoe as the shoe has been unpredictable and I find it very conservative progression

    In time

    you will likely decide to use several types of progressions ... Each one for the kind if shoe you are playing, your bankroll , etc

    All of this is explained in the forum topics

  23. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    I'll stay with 1 on P even though 3 has been the max number of times P has repeated. The shoe is young and I'm still watching for a stronger bias than we've seen yet. Up 3 units.

    Bill

    And it is the Player once again P7 B6

    This Player run scores have been

    p7 B6

    P9 B8

    P9 B0

    P7 B6 ( last hand)

    Shoe now at stands as follows:

    PP BBBB P B P B PPP B PP B PP B P B PPPP

    Time to make a decision, and seems best to let the P ride for another unit ( I have lost too many times trying to break a streak!)

    player running with 16/10 advantage over Banker

    I know Ellis' feeling on these things, but through 26 hands, P has total 12 hands ending in 7,8 or 9. banker has 11 of same... player also has 7 hands ending in 0,1 or 2. While Banker has 6 of same.

    Sometimes I will evaluate these " biases " to help me make a decision, but they seem all even up here in this shoe...so no help ther!

    I'm in for one unit on the Player until .....

  24. Kids - do not try this at home ..we are professionals!

    in BeatTheCasino.com Q and A Baccarat and Blackjack

    Posted

    After winning 2 unit bet on P, I would bet 1 on P and win again for a +2. Stay with P on a F series approach and bet 1 on P.

    Well, Mr. Bill, you correctly picked a Player win.

    We are now at P113 in the second column of our shoe...

    I am backing the Player for another win...

    Oh, and All the while the Bac table across the way just had 3 ties in the last 5 hands, and Table #3 has opened up with 6 people playing and the first two decisions PP...same way we opened up this table...

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