Mr.O

Its a pity that we dont have some of his score cards...they would be of great help

I think that we should continue this thread but not here on Public forum. Since there is no mechanical system that can beat bacc and follow the shoe seems to be perfect solution, it would be great if someone that has deeper understanding of this method can give more advice.

I think that we have a same copy, but even there rules are pretty mechanical, i think that Norm was doing waaaay more that that while he was playing.

I have read all of Norm and PJ posts many times and they are gold, but there is not exactly how to play follow the shoe. There is one PJ post where he said that Norm played ZZ, R, LC, MC, OT and his favourite SS, when you look at all of this its something that we all know. Even Norm said that he is trying to keep his play simple stupid, but i think that there is very few person who knows how he really played it.

Can not see it

I am born on 23....yeah

Here in europe you will find maybe 10 baccarat tables and 6 of them are closed because nobody is playing it.

Maybe you didnt played right shoe

I dont know, does he really thinks after all this years playing baccarat with that great IQ that mechanical system that plays every hand can beat bacc easilly, or he knows that majority of peoples look for system like that ?

"Flat bet is like you are boxing with one hand." E. Clifton

If Oz writes the book, thats something i would like to buy and read. Not this ****.

Or better... " if you loose BIG its not the shoe its you " Just DISCIPLINE AND FLET BET, and you will not loose big, and winnings will take care of itself

Would be good if you can do play by play for some of your tough shoes to show us how to deal with constant bias changing.

Its interesting that when Ellis wants to show strenght of his new system he chose some easy shoe like 2112111311212 and he says look how s40 destroys it. Also he would starded it on hand 3 because already ad hand 3 he knows that its easy s40 shoe and he would play it with 678, and at the end of the shoe he would have like 1 million of units. P231111211321267 Nice s40 spot, blip of otb4l and few repeat bets at the end, player side nothing more then 2s and bankar 3s...but not all shoes are like this

Same thing here. Croatia and Serbia are in same financial s**t and thats big money for us. But i am willing to learn. Would give my best to succeed in this game.

Welcome Felix I am new member here also. Greetings from Serbia

Hi guys, I will be posting my winning and losing shoes here. Will try to play 2 shoes every day, and i will be working with 28 shoes in each season. Also my stop loss and stop win will be +/-3. Stop win will sometimes go higher if i feel that bias is strong. Wish me luck And discipline DAY 1

How did you chosed not to play 2LC on hand 43 ? 2 LC with strong SS confirming, almost all multi on B side 3+, i would have played it. But wrong

Oz Can you post this shoe in private section how did you played it. Thank you

Hand 46, SS with weak OT confirming ? Hand 50, OT Right ?

I also had one similar approach when i was just atarting to play. It was very good, in some short time i have won 5500 units...and that i hit 2 bad shoes and all that gone. Money menagement is nothing without bet selection, and if you have good bet selection you dont need more then 6 units stop loss. I am not en expert, i am still learning, but i can tell you that -400 units is suicide. Eventually you will hit that bed shoe.

If you play with 1$ you need 2400 units and thats 2400$ to get 25$ per day and BTW you can risk 400 units...also if i want to play with 100$ i need just 240 000$ to play and i will risk just 40 000$ to get 2500$....sounds interesting.

Hello guys New member here. I have question about what system to play. I see that every successful player here have its own way of playing, and like OZ said there is more then one way to skin a cat,and i have question is it really matters what system do we play as long as we stay consistent with it. Also all of that successful members are mentioning DISCIPLINE all the time. And what discipline really is. Is it staying consistent with your system and playing it same way every time, respecting your SL and SW, and not chasing loses ? Is that why discipline is hardest thing to achive. Chosing one system is easy, but staying consistent with it even in the shoe when its losing, and not trying to chase loses is what really parts winners from losers.