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Hi Mreteuya,

This is my first post here. I'm David from Singapore. PM Ellis before and he told me you really did a good job in simplifying Maverick and I thought I you should be able to help clear some of my questions.

Some questions on Maverick or other systems share in the Private forum.

What is the bankroll needed for each system?

Do you a progression? What is the highest progression you have it up to?

Do you win nearly every shoe or you usually win by overall with a couple of losses spread over a few shoe?

What are the biggest lost you encounter yourself while playing Maverick?

On average, how many units can be made from 5 shoes from your experience?

How many bets do you usually bet if you played a full game on average of lets say 70 hands?

Are the rules clearly define with a little simple discretion which will not drastically affect our game if we choose the decision wrongly?

Sorry I asked so many questions. I wana joined this forum but hope I can get a better understanding of the nature of the system first. See if it can tolerate my risk factor.

Warmest Regards

David

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Kev,

They don't have tote boards where I play either. No problem as I just wait out the start of the shoe until I see an appropriate place to jump in. It's much easier when I play BetPhoenix as you can see the entire shoe as played, right up to the time you actually get into the room. A very nice feature, at least for me.

MVS

Is BetPheonix available to US residents? What's their minimums?

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Is BetPheonix available to US residents? What's their minimums?

Kevster,

Funny you should ask at this time! I just got finished with my nightly shoes (only two tonight) and hit +10 and +6 for a nice clean night.

Bet Phoenix accepts US players by charging your credit card with a cash advance for the initial deposit. They also want a copy of your photo ID and some other paperwork filled out. Evidently they are very big on CC security. They also NEED that ID sheet to actually pay you out so it's a must.

Of course I was not happy with sending this kind of information to them, but it was the only way I could get in.

My initial testing deposit was only for $300 and the "fees" from VISA amounted to something just under $20 or so. No wonder the credit card weasels love it when people use a credit card as a cash advance machine! The fees are outrageous!

But I digress. So far, Bet Phoenix is the only online, live dealt casino that I've found that will take US players.

When I signed up I did NOT take any of the bonuses. My account manager calls every now and then and wants to give me more bonuses. I don't want them. When I need to pull money out of there, I want it to come out with no strings attached.

But that's just me. Others appear to make a bunch off of the bonus programs.

Read the fine print and call and ask them if you have any quesitons. They appear to answer the phones and actually do call back, even from an email request!

So far, I've been very happy with them.

They do have a $5 minimum table that appears to be available pretty much at all hours. Also $10 and $50 minimum for when you get to that level.

MVS

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Hello,

Maybe anyone can help? MVS?

Thank you

Regards

David

Hi Mreteuya,

This is my first post here. I'm David from Singapore. PM Ellis before and he told me you really did a good job in simplifying Maverick and I thought I you should be able to help clear some of my questions.

Some questions on Maverick or other systems share in the Private forum.

What is the bankroll needed for each system?

Do you a progression? What is the highest progression you have it up to?

Do you win nearly every shoe or you usually win by overall with a couple of losses spread over a few shoe?

What are the biggest lost you encounter yourself while playing Maverick?

On average, how many units can be made from 5 shoes from your experience?

How many bets do you usually bet if you played a full game on average of lets say 70 hands?

Are the rules clearly define with a little simple discretion which will not drastically affect our game if we choose the decision wrongly?

Sorry I asked so many questions. I wana joined this forum but hope I can get a better understanding of the nature of the system first. See if it can tolerate my risk factor.

Warmest Regards

David

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Hi Mreteuya,

This is my first post here. I'm David from Singapore. PM Ellis before and he told me you really did a good job in simplifying Maverick and I thought I you should be able to help clear some of my questions.

Some questions on Maverick or other systems share in the Private forum.

What is the bankroll needed for each system?

Do you a progression? What is the highest progression you have it up to?

Do you win nearly every shoe or you usually win by overall with a couple of losses spread over a few shoe?

What are the biggest lost you encounter yourself while playing Maverick?

On average, how many units can be made from 5 shoes from your experience?

How many bets do you usually bet if you played a full game on average of lets say 70 hands?

Are the rules clearly define with a little simple discretion which will not drastically affect our game if we choose the decision wrongly?

Sorry I asked so many questions. I wana joined this forum but hope I can get a better understanding of the nature of the system first. See if it can tolerate my risk factor.

Warmest Regards

David

Dave,

In the simplest of terms....

The bankroll for "each" sytem is the same. Most recommend 40 times your starting table bet.

Everybody uses a different progression if needed. There are moderate ones that only go to 2-Hi. There's a 3-Hi and mine happens to go to 6 or 7, depending on how the shoe looks for me that day. A lot depends on how aggressive or passive you elect to be.

Current winning shoe rate is in the area of 80%. Some guys win every shoe. Some win most shoes. I haven't heard of anyone losing more shoes than they win.

My target for 5 shoes would be 50. Mark's is 100 although I wouldn't think it would take him 5 shoes to get there.. It all depends on what your tolerance for risk is and obviously your bankroll and ability to play.

I play every hand after the first batch of 8-10 hands. Others wait out a hand or two after two losses. Once again, it depends on your style of play.

I think so. A good player can make a mistake from time to time (I know I do) and the current play I'm using (Maverick) appears to fix my gross blunders from time to time.

I hate to be short with the answers but I just dropped in before heading out for the day.

Hope this helps.

I would also add here that if you plan on buying in, getting a "winning system" and heading out to the casino, you'll be in for a rude awakening. There is an amount of study and practice involved here that some just won't attempt and they usually wind up asking themselves "how could I lose all my money". Be prepared to READ, READ and READ some more. The systems are basically sound and reasonably simple. It's the execution that separates the winners from the losers.

Go into it with a good attitude and a willingness to put in a lot of time and you'll come out just fine.

Also, you won't get many replies here as the majority of the members are in the private area and they are there every day working and planning and finding small areas to make better with each play. Most rarely check in here in the public area unless requested to.

MVS

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Hi Mreteuya,

This is my first post here. I'm David from Singapore. PM Ellis before and he told me you really did a good job in simplifying Maverick and I thought I you should be able to help clear some of my questions.

Some questions on Maverick or other systems share in the Private forum.

What is the bankroll needed for each system?

In Maverick there I posted a formula for success. The safest way to play is with a 100 unit bankroll, but that is not necessary. It depends on the progression you plan on playing.

Do you a progression? What is the highest progression you have it up to?

Again, this depends on you. I personally use a regular progression non-stop.

Do you win nearly every shoe or you usually win by overall with a couple of losses spread over a few shoe? I personally win every shoe with at least 10 units. Thats only because I stay really strict to the discipline of the rules I layed out. Its not that hard if you stay disciplined. Its amazing to me the lack of discipline in most players. I guess that is why most players lose.

What are the biggest lost you encounter yourself while playing Maverick?

Now? I haven't lost in awhile. In the beginning I was down -20 units, but that was when I was putting together this approach. You really have to read my Maverick Manual to understand what I'm talking about. I do not play to not lose. I play to win. Patience, Discipline, Patience, Discipline. If you don't have both, or are unwilling to have both, my suggestion is to not play until you choose to have both. Yes it is a choice.

On average, how many units can be made from 5 shoes from your experience?

You can average +15 per shoe easy. So you should be able to make +75 units easily in 5 shoes

How many bets do you usually bet if you played a full game on average of lets say 70 hands?

40-50

Are the rules clearly define with a little simple discretion which will not drastically affect our game if we choose the decision wrongly?

Yes

Sorry I asked so many questions. I wana joined this forum but hope I can get a better understanding of the nature of the system first. See if it can tolerate my risk factor.

Not a problem. There is NO EASY way to win. However, it is very simple. The problem that is most common I see, or the most common mistake I see made is that usually you get in your own way. Lack of sound plan, discipline, and patience. A lack of any one of those, I will guarantee that you will lose.

For example, answer this question... "If you lose 5 bets in a row, is this a good sign, or a bad sign?" Most players will have answered "bad." Thats the sign of a gambler, not a baccarat professional. You will understand once you read Maverick. Look forward to seeing you in the full forum. If you read the earlier posts right here in this thread, you will see that I am not a employee, owner, or paid in anyway from this site. I'm not even an administrator or moderator. I play full-time for a living. I can't afford to be emotional, or gamble. The life of a full-time baccarat player is not what you think... so get those high roller image out of your mind. Those are gamblers, thats not who you want to be. I hope this helped.

Warmest Regards

David

I inserted my answers above in blue....

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All,

For those of you reading this thread and wondering what we're talking about in the private area, here's a quick two notes from Mreteuya and myself:

Mreteuya reports:

Table 1 Bet Phoenix at 2:00 pm Hawaii time.... +31 at hand 58 where I stopped. If you had gone further I would have made more... Anti-RD/Hybrid did well and when I lost two in a row I went to F2 since the 4s were lower that the 1s and 2s

I replied a short time later:

I went in and played that hand and didn't really see the Anti count taking off all that much until around hand 41 where it really zoomed out of control! I actually didn't even start playing Anti until hand 50!

Still got a very nice +21 out of it. I'll take that any day of the week. Max wager was 5, once, early on.

Anybody else run this shoe and get something different from the two of us?

There was a little bit of everything in there for me. RD1H, F2, Anti-RD1H and even a few TB4L's at the end.

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Gentlemen, there is a lot of information and discussion about baccarat here. No whining, complaining, griping or making up stories. Just hard facts and baccarat.

It's your choice.

MVS

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Harrahs Reno has a tote board and I think they have the most baccarat tables also. Employees are quite nice too.

I always have a 100 unit bankroll with me...

Its part of the Maverick Formula for Success outlined in the full forum.

100 units is not really necessary, but the formula actually tells you how to calculate the bankroll you need.

Thanks for the correction, Mreteuya, it must be longer than I thought since being in Harrah's! Used to play only craps so went to low minimum tables like Circus. You have any idea where the other baccarat tables are in Reno? The last I looked, Eldorado got rid of theirs.

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Kevster,

Funny you should ask at this time! I just got finished with my nightly shoes (only two tonight) and hit +10 and +6 for a nice clean night.

Bet Phoenix accepts US players by charging your credit card with a cash advance for the initial deposit. They also want a copy of your photo ID and some other paperwork filled out. Evidently they are very big on CC security. They also NEED that ID sheet to actually pay you out so it's a must.

Of course I was not happy with sending this kind of information to them, but it was the only way I could get in.

My initial testing deposit was only for $300 and the "fees" from VISA amounted to something just under $20 or so. No wonder the credit card weasels love it when people use a credit card as a cash advance machine! The fees are outrageous!

But I digress. So far, Bet Phoenix is the only online, live dealt casino that I've found that will take US players.

When I signed up I did NOT take any of the bonuses. My account manager calls every now and then and wants to give me more bonuses. I don't want them. When I need to pull money out of there, I want it to come out with no strings attached.

But that's just me. Others appear to make a bunch off of the bonus programs.

Read the fine print and call and ask them if you have any quesitons. They appear to answer the phones and actually do call back, even from an email request!

So far, I've been very happy with them.

They do have a $5 minimum table that appears to be available pretty much at all hours. Also $10 and $50 minimum for when you get to that level.

MVS

Just curious, but in your experience, how timely of a payout do you receive from BetPheonix? I only ask since in a forum I was looking through a couple of months ago, a few of the members had posted to stay away from them.

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Just curious, but in your experience, how timely of a payout do you receive from BetPheonix? I only ask since in a forum I was looking through a couple of months ago, a few of the members had posted to stay away from them.

Kevster,

Did these people give any particular reasons to stay away?

MVS

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Kevster,

Did these people give any particular reasons to stay away?

MVS

Most of the comments were general ones, to just steer clear of BetPheonix. One member, who supposedly tried their live roulette table, said the spins weren't as random as they should be (compared to other online roulette tables). But after going through some of the posts on this forum, I feel more comfortable that I'm getting reliable information here.

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To All Universal Bac Players,

I'm planning of joining the private forum soon. I know that there are thousands of information in the private forum and I don't want to lose my bearing in navigating the private forum. In this respect, I would like your input on what systems I should concentrate to speed up my learning process. I still lack exposure in Baccarat play and would like to do it right from the beginning.

Thanking you all in advance.

jsintl

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Just curious, but in your experience, how timely of a payout do you receive from BetPheonix? I only ask since in a forum I was looking through a couple of months ago, a few of the members had posted to stay away from them.

IF you sent Bet Phoenix CASH via Western Union or MoneyGram, you do NOT need to give them that information. Payouts are easy. You can get them daily as long as you arrange it before 1:00pm Eastern Time.

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To All Universal Bac Players,

I'm planning of joining the private forum soon. I know that there are thousands of information in the private forum and I don't want to lose my bearing in navigating the private forum. In this respect, I would like your input on what systems I should concentrate to speed up my learning process. I still lack exposure in Baccarat play and would like to do it right from the beginning.

Thanking you all in advance.

jsintl

JSintl.

Well, you can get a nice head start by reading many of the threads here in the public area. Most, if not all of the questions you have are already answered. By reading the information now, you'll have an idea of what you will be dealing with.

The key here is to READ the information and understand it. If you're not currently playing baccarat, get 6 decks of cards and start learning the game. Open a free online account and start practicing in real time with live dealers. You'll save yourself a lot of time by coming into the group really prepared to play baccarat and not just learn the game from scratch.

So, take a look at the older threads behind this one and see what you can pick up.

MVS (I can only type the same answers over and over so many times!)

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Hi MVS,

Thanks for your comment. I have been a member of this board and other boards for years now and been reading whatever is available. Unfortunately, it's not getting me anywhere, as I have no mentor to guide me. I believe that in the private forum, some experienced members will be willing to guide new members. This is the reason why I would like to join the private forum. To avoid being lost in sea of informations, it will be very helpful to know before hand what systems/strategies I should concentrate on to speed up my learning process.

Brgds,

jsintl

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Hi MVS,

Thanks for your comment. I have been a member of this board and other boards for years now and been reading whatever is available. Unfortunately, it's not getting me anywhere, as I have no mentor to guide me. I believe that in the private forum, some experienced members will be willing to guide new members. This is the reason why I would like to join the private forum. To avoid being lost in sea of informations, it will be very helpful to know before hand what systems/strategies I should concentrate on to speed up my learning process.

Brgds,

jsintl

Tell you what. Contact me and I'll mentor you through Maverick. I know that MVS will help too, but I'm sure you will catch on. I'll prove that anyone can play Maverick and win. MaverickUltimateMark@gmail.com

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Tell you what. You join the full member and I'll mentor you through Maverick. I know that MVS will help too, but I'm sure you will catch on. I'll prove that anyone can play Maverick and win.

Hi Mreteuya,

Thank you for your comments. I'll be joining very soon and will let you know.

Looking forward to learn from you and other experienced members of this board.

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Tell you what. You join the full member and I'll mentor you through Maverick. I know that MVS will help too, but I'm sure you will catch on. I'll prove that anyone can play Maverick and win.

Hi Mreteuya,

I'm now a member of the private forum.

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Played two shoes last night with Maverick again. Second shoe I made +26 even though I made a lot of mistakes! Back to Back shoes totaling +58. This second shoe was really bad too.

Those of you checking out those other sites out there be very careful. Most of those bogus sties out there have no 'reason' behind their bets, other than that's what their rules say to do.

This is the only place where you learn how to really play correctly. You should be playing a system that will exploit the shoes that are in front of you.

The Maverick approach works. End of story. There is no holy grail or magic pill, thats not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that if you don't mind doing a little work and studying, Maverick will work. There are more than just one system here that really work. I'm not saying Maverick is the best. However, it has proven to be so consistent. It tracks well and takes a solid foundation of play and just tweaks it based on what the shoe in front of you is telling you it is bias towards. There is a logical reason for every single bet you make with Maverick. This gives you the highest probability of winning.

On the full forum member site, you will meet players that have a 100% session win rate playing Maverick. This is not a joke, and not super hype. They are not betting $1,000 per hand or anything like that. These are just regular players like you and me, playing anywhere from $5 to no larger than $25 units and happily making a few hundred dollars a day playing in online casinos or in-person at casinos.

One of the members just posted that he has won 18 shoes, lost only 2 and thats only because he made a mistake. He has already doubled his bankroll. I think its time for you to come join the party!

Hope to see you on the 'inside' soon.

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Another shoe posted on the full forum site made +38 units using Maverick. There seems to be enough interest where members and non-members would be willing to pay a fee for a type of video seminar boot camp, where everyone can learn at least one proven system. If there is enough interest, say at least 50 people, I can definitely look into putting one together soon. Let me know here or the Baccarat Boot Camp thread. MaverickUltimateMark@gmail.com

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Important Baccarat Do's and Don'ts-ECD

Do play only when you are in shape to play. Casino glitz is designed to peak your Adrenalin. Do not fall prey to this. It is the number one casino tactic. Don't play tired or over stressed. Do not play when you are partying. Alcohol affects your judgment negatively precisely when you think your judgment is perfect. Why do you think they give you free drinks?

Do Occasionally we see a player killing a table. Play on his hand! Whatever he is doing is working at that table. But watch for the worm to turn.

Don't fall for huge buy in players, They probably know less than you. Play your game.

Do play against big losers . We see players losing virtually every hand, Play against them. You are playing the reciprocal of the biggest losing system. Perfect!

Don't play against players just because they rub you the wrong way. Example: virtually every casino trip I make, some poor soul has to beat the great E. Clifton Davis. This is suicidal' If you must beat me, play with me and bet more money, you will likely have a much better story to tell your friends!

Do play against yourself. If you get beat it is far more likely that you did it to yourself than that the casino beat you. In this game discipline is everything.

Don't blame the dealer, the casino, me, or anybody but yourself Remember that other Players consistently win with the very same information you got.

Don't chase a bad game. Bad games seldom turn good If you can't decipher the right approach, get out of there . Find an easier game.

Do Abide by your stop losses . When you hit a stop loss change tables.

Don' t pay attention to the superstitions and old wives tales that frequent Baccarat. For instance, ties do not repeat any more often than they mathematically should. Naturals do not give that side a better advantage in the next hand. It is not bad luck to bet on player when you deal.

Don't increase your unit size when you are losing. Look, you are losing!

Do consider increasing your unit size at a good table when you are winning easily. Now you have a place to retreat to when the game gets tough. Use it.

Don't listen to fly by night Baccarat system peddlers and book writers. Listen only to proven professionals who have bet millions in this game and are considerably ahead. There are a lot of profiteers out there whispering systems in the night. “Watch out!” In Baccarat, you will have good days and bad days; good tables and bad tables. Some days you can’t do anything wrong. Other days, you can't do anything right When is the best time to bet your big units? That's exactly right. But some of you will do this backwards. Then you will call and tell me and you did it backwards. Don't call. You already know what you did wrong. Fix it.

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Another shoe posted on the full forum site made +38 units using Maverick. There seems to be enough interest where members and non-members would be willing to pay a fee for a type of video seminar boot camp, where everyone can learn at least one proven system. If there is enough interest say at least 50 people, I can definitely look into putting one together soon. Let me know here or the Baccarat Boot Camp thread.

MaverickUltimateMark@gmail.com

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I just added a bunch of goodies to the "New Members Start Here Thread" in the full members forum to make it easier for a new member to get started. I added all the most common Terms and Definitions a new players needs to know as well as Step-by-Step instructions on what you need to learn to work your way up into mastering some of the top winning approaches to baccarat like Maverick and ADOT. There are sample games with all of them, and I also added a link where you can download the scorecards you need as well.

If there is enough people interested who wouldn't mind paying a small fee for a Live Baccarat Video Webinar that can go over all of these system and approaches, I can definitely talk to the main man Ellis about setting one up. Post your feedback here or on the Baccarat Boot Camp thread.

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