Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Hello Keith,

I am a new member and just bought System 40 Baccarat . My question is : Do I also need to buy system F2, 3 and system OTB4L ? I am confused when I read that System S40A covered all 3 systems above .

Please advise.

Thank you

Kip

Edited by Keith Smith
Clarity
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hello Keith,

I am a new member and just bought System 40 Baccarat . My question is do I also need to buy system F2, 3 and system OTB4L ? I am confused when I read that

System S40A covered all 3 systems above.

Please advise.

Thank you

Kip

No, because you came in under the wire before the S40A manual is complete. While you are learning S40, F2,3 and OTB4L will be added to the S40A manual which you should already have access to. Just to be sure go to the front page of BTC and hit forum at the top, then Baccarat, then System 40, then System 40 Advanced Manual. In the future, the S40A manual will be set at a higher price.

Welcome to the group.

Thank You

E. Clifton Davis

Edited by ECD
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you.

I read the manual once and like it very much, but right now it seems very difficult for me to understand the whole concept.

I hope after I read many times and some practices I will be better.

Does it happen for new students or just slow learning like me?

Thank you for giving us the system so we can have a chance to beat the casino.

kip

Edited by Keith Smith
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you.

I read the manual once and like it very much , but right now it seems very difficult for me to understand the whole concept .

I hope after I read many times and some practices I will be better.

Does it happen for new students or just slow learning like me?

Thank you for giving us the system so we can have a chance to beat the casino.

kip

Kip, hang in and keep practicing. It took me 6 months to get the hang of it and I am still learning, after 2 years.

NormA

Edited by Keith Smith

Norm A

FOLLOW THE SHOE

WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you. I read the manual once and like it very much , but right now it seems very difficult for me to understand the whole concept .kip

Kip,

You can believe that you're not alone in being slightly overwhelmed with the information. Like NormA mentioned earlier, it is a bit confusing at first, mainly because a lot of the material may be completely new to you (as it was for me) and the learning curve was pretty steep.

Continue to read it daily, work with the system play both on the computer and by actually writing out play sheets (which really made a difference for me) and it will become both easier and faster to play.

And of course, don't shy away from asking questions that you just can't figure out. I know I did.

MVS

Edited by Keith Smith
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you. I read the manual once and like it very much , but right now it seems very difficult for me to understand the whole concept . I hope after I read many times and some practices I will be better . Does it happen for new students or just slow learning like me ?

Thank you for giving us the system so we can have a chance to beat the casino.

kip

These guys are both right Kip and I think it will also help if I do another basic "Beginners Start Here thread". This worked well before but somehow got lost in the shuffle. While our score cards seem very complex when you first see them, they are really very simple once explained. I'll work on that and we can add it to the front of every manual.

But guys, meanwhile, don't we have a glossary of terms around here somewhere we could direct Kip to?

Kip, I'll call it "Beginner's Corner". Watch for that thread.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi everyone . I am a new member and I am still learning the S40. I read in the thread that with + OR and a strong/weak LC situation you bet 1unit on the OTR.

My question is I thought we are suppose to bet on chop with +OR.

What am I missing here?

Need of help

Thanks

Edited by Keith Smith
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Recognize that you can't bet only opposites all the time. If you do you are going to lose four bets or more in a row every time there is a straight run of 5 or more and on average there are two 5 or mores per shoe. Therefore, S40 strategically selects the most optimum time to bet OTR (Repeat) to protect us from runs. What can go wrong is the run can end right when we bet on it which isn't pretty but we can usually work our way out of this as long as the run isn't followed by another run. This is least likely in a + O/R count situation.

I'm working on a Beginners Corner to add to the front of all manuals which will explain these basics.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I also received these related questions by Private Message.

TangNangDoaHoa

Join Date

Mar 2011

I need help on S40

Hello,

I am your new member. I just bought your System40 and I read it. there are lots of parts I dont understand. Like how to determine LC and MC, and how to know if something is culprit.

"Culprit" means what you lose to. The bad news is that in Baccarat no matter how you play you MUST lose to something.

"The good news is that you can select what you lose to. Therefore the System 40 (S40) strategy is to select whatever is happening least (LC) and make that culprit in the shoe at hand so that you lose the least often and win the most often."

With S40 we are usually making our culprit either 3s (three in a rows) or 4s. We are going by which we are seeing the LEAST thus far in the shoe between 3s and 4+s (4 or mores). If we make 3's culprit it means that we are going to go OTR (on the run) after a run has gone 3. We are betting that the run will go 4.

Early in the shoe, before we have a good idea of what is LC it is best to bet only 1 unit on our first OTR bet or none at all because we are unsure and merely testing the water. In fact it is best to flat bet all bets at 1 unit or not bet at all until we verify two things. Is the shoe, in fact, choppy (+ OR count) and what is LC?

Sometimes 2s will be LC but this is rare in a choppy shoe. And sometimes 5s in a very choppy shoe. But usually the decision is between 3s and 4s.

Recognize that once you know several systems, you will only select S40 for choppy (+ OR count shoes). But, when you are first starting out and S40 is the ONLY system you know it puts you temporarily in the position of trying to make S40 fit ALL shoes. That is why at first, you will be best off to play S40 with 2s culprit when 2s are LC. Later, you will learn to switch to F2,3 in streaky shoes ( - OR count)

It is rare but it is also ligitimately possible to have 2s culprit (LC) in a choppy shoe. For instance when a shoe starts with a lot of 1's and a single 3 and no 2s. Like a 11113. Your OR count would be +2 and 2s are LC because there aren't any 2s yet.

I usually start S40 shoes with 4s culprit (I wait for a 4 to go OTR) until the real LC can be determined. But I selected S40 because I know I'm at a choppy table.

New guys have no way to know that yet so you might want to start with 3s culprit until you know what is LC.

Recognize that nothing says you MUST make that first OTR bet. If you do not yet know what is LC it is probably best to skip the bet altogether and wait for the run to end. That way you will know what LC is next time.

For the same reason I strongly advise you to start out mid shoe when you first play a table. That way the tote board can tell you what LC is before you even start your shoe. Any steps you can take to reduce risk are steps in the right direction. Why bet hard earned money before you know what is going on. Wait until you have some information to go by. That is the main advantage of Baccarat. Nothing says you MUST bet. But no advantage is an advantage unless you TAKE advantage of it.

This learning curve you new guys are on won't last long. It won't be long before you know what you are doing and why."

Edited by ECD
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Question: Why do I start with 4s culprit?

Answer: To win the most possible events. Events are 1's, 2s, 3s, 4s, etc. There is an avg of 32 events per shoe. On averageg half of all events are 1's.

1/4 are 2's and 1/8 are 3s. When I make 4's culprit (bet OTR after all 4s), I automatically beat all 1's, 2's and 3's which is 87% of all events.

However, should I determine that 3s are LC I will immediately switch my culprit from 4s to 3s because by doing so I will now win MORE than 87% of all events so it is much to my advantage to switch to 3's culprit because 3s are now less than 1/8 of all events. Since most 3s are going to 4 THAT is what I bet because that is what is happening in the shoe at hand.

In Baccarat, because it is impossible to shuffle the cards to a random condition, whether by hand or by machine, whatever is happening the most usually continues happening the most and whatever is happening the least usually continues happening the least. Therefore we are USUALLY right and that is all that matters to win.

Will we win every shoe? Only on our best days but that is why we have cash management. We want to ensure that we win more on our winning shoes than we lose on our losing shoes. ALL of our systems have a common goal: to bet ON what is happening the most while betting AGAINST what is happening the least. THAT is Beatthecasino.com Baccarat. And it is taught nowhere else.

  • In a Choppy shoe (mostly opposites) we want a system that bets mostly opposites, (S40)
  • In a Streaky shoe (mostly Repeats) we want a system that bets mostly Repeats, (F2,3)
  • But in a Neutral shoe that splits about even, we want a system that bets about even, (OTB4L)

OK, now you know what our mission is. That is S40A. That is where we are heading, one step at a time.

So, if you don't know, ASK. That is why we are here. There is no such thing as a dumb question on this forum.

Edited by ECD
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Kip,

You can believe that you're not alone in being slightly overwhelmed with the information. Like NormA mentioned earlier, it is a bit confusing at first, mainly because a lot of the material may be completely new to you (as it was for me) and the learning curve was pretty steep.

Continue to read it daily, work with the system play both on the computer and by actually writing out play sheets (which really made a difference for me) and it will become both easier and faster to play.

And of course, don't shy away from asking questions that you just can't figure out. I know I did.

MVS

MVS

Thanks for your advice.

I feel like getting lost in the jungle , don't know which direction to start. I think I understood system S40 and F2 but not F3 and I am looking for system OTB4L but can't find it , I know it is someplace in the treads but my brain might be jammed from reading all informations in the short period of time .

OTB4L ( opposite before last bet ) for example : if the card are BBBB the next bet will be P ? How about PBBPB , is the next bet is B ?

Please explain or take me to the OTB4L side ,I very appreciate your help.

I can not wait for " Beginner Manual " from Mr. Davis

Thanks again

Kip

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I wrote a whole new overview of S40A yesterday. I originally wrote it to the perspective of brand new players, and the general public but as I wrote it I realized that even seasoned veterans would get a better idea of how and why S40A works and why the key to winning Baccarat play is system and betting strategy selection, complete with an example.

But alas, I lost the whole thing when Keith zigged when I zagged. But that's OK because I'll do it better the second time around esp. now that I fully realize the importance of it.

Meanwhile, the new guys should practice the OR count. All of our systems are explained in terms of Opposites and Repeats. If you don't know the difference fluidly, you simply can't play Baccarat. I'm finding that even some of our ten year students STILL don't know the difference. When a player is having trouble learning a system it is almost always because he still doesn't know an Opposite from a Repeat.

I have one 20 year student that calls me virtually daily in the middle of an on line shoe. He always starts the call with the same sentence. "Boy they are killing me!" The conversation goes something like this: "How did the shoe start?" 4 Banks a Player and 4 banks. What system are you playing? "40 and that sytem sucks because I'm losing every bet." "Why are you playing 40?" "That's what won yesterday." "What's the longest run so far?" "12 Banks". " What's your score?" "- 24". "What's your unit?" "$5." "OK, change your prog to 234 and switch to System F2,3. and call me back"

Then of coure I have to teach him F all over again because he's totally forgotten it in 2 days.

Ring... "Hello" "+17 but how did you know to do that?" "Because your shoe was primarily Repeats." " Oh, What's a Repeat?"

Where's my bullet?

Edited by ECD
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
Thank you.

I read the manual once and like it very much, but right now it seems very difficult for me to understand the whole concept.

I hope after I read many times and some practices I will be better.

Does it happen for new students or just slow learning like me?

Thank you for giving us the system so we can have a chance to beat the casino.

kip

kip, this happens with all new members. 1'm also preparing the NOR manual which explains S40A in a way designed esp. for beginners. Take a look at that thread as well. Not to worry, nobody gets left behind on this forum. Just keep asking your questions.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

hello. am new to baccarat and would like to join your community of professional player what is exactly system 40 ?

System 40 is one third of the whole NOR approach also known as S40A. NOR is what you need to learn. It is far more effective than 40 alone. In fact NOR took first and second place in a recent Baccarat tournament at BF. When you join the forum by buying S40 you are also taught NOR. NOR needs to be your goal.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use