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Hi Everyone,

I've decided to post my entire 2011 live play results using S40A aka NOR. Simply speaking if someone is wondering if it really is working. These are live results, non modified, what you walk out with is what was entered into this sheet. as you can see UPS is very very dependant on the casino and quality of the shoes. There was zero table selection used due to many casinos not having more then one or two tables and various other reasons which I will address at a later date. Our targets and goals have been hit conisistently week after week with proper money management. I use a W/L count to decide between two progressions that I am to apply.

Session End = 50 Units NO EXCEPTION, or -40 NO EXCEPTION. Where you see -25 are sessions I personally felt were just impossible to win seeing a hand hit rate of <40% within the first two shoes. Yes you will hit bullshit shoes, S40A is vulnerable to them you switch the shoe switches in other words if you hadn't switched, you would of won.

Progression 1: When W/L is > 3

Up as you win, up as you lose. Go up 1 unit after every bet regardless of win or loss.

Reset the progression when,

A) go from negative to positive.

B) win 3 in a row

C) break a milestone, ie +10, +20, +30, +40 etc...

Progression 2: When W/L is < 3

U1D2 w/ optional M2

As for everything else the rules remain the same. Only exception I employ in live play is never betting against the MC no matter what mode you're in, if I bet its gonna be 1 unit. As for dragon pushes, pretend you won and write it down as a win progression and all. Any bet over 4 units on banker play dragon for insurance only enough to cover your bet.

I personally find having a spreadsheet setting realistic goals and keep track of your units/bankroll really helps keep you under control with live play. Thats something you guys have to figure out on your own. My realistic goal is to average 200 units per week for 52 weeks, anything else is gravy. I also double my unit size after I break the 2000 unit mark, I also don't change unit sizes until the end of a week.

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Good job Kiddo and an excellent report! I'll likely come back to this report several times to point out various highlights.

The top thing I want to say about this to you people who are striving to become full time pros is the extreme importance of good record keeping. When I played full time I kept very similar records and I can tell you for a fact that record keeping is essential to professional play.

A few things I kept that I don't see in Kiddo's record are: Casino Name, time of day, day of the week and table #. I also tracked the Dealer's name and I had a remarks col. Now remember, I was also playing BJ and some of these things are more important in BJ than in Bac. But they are also important in Bac.

You will quickly find that specific casinos are most vulnerable certain days of the week and at certain times of the day. Your mission is always to find the easiest games to beat. Records are essential. You THINK you'll remember everything but when playing full time there's just too much to remember.

The dealer's name is probably not as important in Bac but in BJ I found that there were certain dealers I ALWAYS beat and a certain few I NEVER beat. Again, you are out to find the EASIEST games.

Now this may be starting to sound more like a job than a game. GOOD, because that is exactly what it is - a job. We are not there for the fun of it. But that doesn't mean you can't also have fun. Just keep it secondary.

I'd like to draw your attention to the Units per shoe col. Quite good but not overly impressive. I'd like to see you up around 15. This is because of the extreme conditions Kiddo is playing under. I happen to know that Kiddo has been barred from quite a few casinos. This greatly limits his overall casino access. His avg. is excellent considering the conditions he faces.

Coincidentally, another of my full time pros got barred just this week at a specific casino he asked me not to reveal. I'm thinking of writing an Article on how to keep from getting barred. While, in a way, getting barred gives you a certain badge to wear, its definitely NOT a good thing. It really crimps your style. There are certain precautions you can take that pros and would be pros need to know about. Nothing is guaranteed however. I was barred from more casinos than any other player I know and it can put an end to a great career. I even out barred the infamous Kenny Uston.

BTW, my other pro who got barred has been at $3000 a day for a couple years now. He also keeps extravagant records. It just goes to show what can be accomplished with hard work and practice.

All of my full time pros have one thing in common. They seldom post. They just don't have the time.

Oh, I sometimes mention my pro Paul Starr. No, Paul has never been barred. I talked to Paul yesterday. For those of you wondering about him Paul is at $400 units and has been for quite some time now. He never posts. Doesn't even own a computer. The reason for his call? He wanted to tell me I was right about Gold Coast, Vegas. He told me it was the easiest casino he has played in years. He hit his entire trip goal in the first shoe and went golfing the rest of the trip.

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Casino Time, Day and Table number are all listed on my scorecards. I have no need to track them in my over allsheet easy days like today I will always be willing to take, S2/3 for the first two shoes followed by a heavy OT4/5 shoe. +50 in 3 shoes without breaking a 4 unit bet. Sometimes it takes two sessions just to hit my goal for the day but hey, do what you gotta do. This week started out great +50 already so its not too bad. Hopefully I can get to over 10 units average per shoe in the long run, in reality thats all I want. If i could make 10 units per shoe for every shoe I've played heh. Life would be marvellous(sp?).

Another MM note: if you find yourself getting scared to bet and not believing in your own system selection its time to leave. When I find myself in that situation I will always take a break, leave the table or even leave the casino and come back for another session. Its easy to walk away when you're at home testing, its quite a different story when you're playing live.

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Casino Time, Day and Table number are all listed on my scorecards. I have no need to track them in my over allsheet easy days like today I will always be willing to take, S2/3 for the first two shoes followed by a heavy OT4/5 shoe. +50 in 3 shoes without breaking a 4 unit bet. Sometimes it takes two sessions just to hit my goal for the day but hey, do what you gotta do. This week started out great +50 already so its not too bad. Hopefully I can get to over 10 units average per shoe in the long run, in reality thats all I want. If i could make 10 units per shoe for every shoe I've played heh. Life would be marvellous(sp?).

Another MM note: if you find yourself getting scared to bet and not believing in your own system selection its time to leave. When I find myself in that situation I will always take a break, leave the table or even leave the casino and come back for another session. Its easy to walk away when you're at home testing, its quite a different story when you're playing live.

Very good Kiddo. Very similar to the notes I took. Every game can teach you someting if you keep copious notes. All our best players do it.

My daily goal was $2100. I played a max of 3 sessions per day. My morning session began when the tables first opened with new cards. That was at 7, 8 or 9AM depending on the casino. I always knew from my notes which casino to try first and I often made my day goal in the morning session. The only time I went over my goal was when I hit a really hot game in the night session. After dinner, always supplied by one casino or another I always updated my notes up in my room, also always supplied by a casino. Then it was off to the Jefferson House to meet with the dealer crowd who continued my education whenever I wasn't playing at night. I seldom needed a third session.

I played green in the morning and Black in the afternoon. Remember, this was in the '90s when a black chip was comparable to a $1000 chip today.

When I hit a hot game at night I changed my goal to $21,000. I hit that goal many times. This doesn't take long in a good game. I worked in piles of 12. Whenever I made 3 piles I doubled my unit. But if I went backwards, back into the prior 3 piles, I quit.

You get a feel for good tables and bad tables. Walking away from bad tables separates the pros from the gamblers.

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Kiddo, I salute you!! Gives hope to us all that it CAN be done...

I'm curious to hear from Ellis his opinion on the progression being used? Up win or lose one.... very interesting!! And obviously working for Kiddo....!!

Are you waiting for 8 plays before you enter a shoe? or are you starting at play 2?

Any chance of seeing an actual play card with your play by play thoughts included?

Congrats again and keep up the good work!

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Kiddo, I salute you!! Gives hope to us all that it CAN be done...

I'm curious to hear from Ellis his opinion on the progression being used? Up win or lose one.... very interesting!! And obviously working for Kiddo....!!

Are you waiting for 8 plays before you enter a shoe? or are you starting at play 2?

Any chance of seeing an actual play card with your play by play thoughts included?

Congrats again and keep up the good work!

Hope is a virtue. I also just this morning got another call from the pro NBJ BJ player who had just finished for last night early this morning. The one at $3000 per day.

Top NBJ players learn how to condition the cards to their favor. This can be done by playing head to head, by splitting tens, by getting players to leave the table and other top level tricks of the trade. You are not really trying to win the shoe YET. You are separating clumps of high cards with your play to randomize the cards as much as possible. Once you have them randomized you deploy your 1,4,6 prog and really whip ass. You double your stakes every 3 piles and go for 18 piles of 12. I always quit in the middle of the 18th pile with $21,000 even. No commission in BJ.

Up as you win or lose has its place in Bac more often than in BJ.

I don't teach it to beginners because the timing is too crucial for beginners who are just learning what a good game is from a bad game.

But suppose you find yourself at a late night very streaky table that is also very strong sided. Very common! You are playing F3 and you find yourself seldom, if ever, switching sides. THAT is the time to deploy an up as you win or lose Fibonaci. You only need to win a third of your bets to break even so there is not as much risk as you think. But in that kind of situation you are usually winning 2/3rds of your bets if not even better. I wrote a manual on that system many years ago.

That is the way one of our past members captured our units per shoe record. 425 units in one shoe! Unfortunately she was playing green. She teaches Baccarat these days. But the guy I learned it from when I was playing with my girlfriend Ann at the LV Hilton high stakes lounge one night was playing black and then some. We watched him win $270,000 in one shoe. It made our $12,000 each look quite pitiful. Ha, so did the pit boss.

We can get into that sort of stuff once you have NOR down pat and have a little playing experience. Timing is everything. You need to know when to jump all over such situations. They happen more than you think!

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Hi guys! I'm at Keith's and I have a minute while he's in the shower. We've had two days of solid play now and all is going very well. We are playing The Sands, Bethlehem, PA. There are plenty of tables but still no real table selection. Way more players than tables. So we can only get seats at an empty table which immediately fills up. They never continue the game on the tote board and start a new shoe. So tote boards are useless for table selection. Every shoe we’ve played was played from scratch with no idea of what to expect. Also they use factory pre-shuffled cards exclusively and run those through a rather complete BJ shuffle to boot.

But this is good from an instructional standpoint because we are playing every shoe just the way you would play a pile of shoes at home, with no clue. So it’s an excellent test of our NOR Manual system selection procedure. In spite of this huge handicap, we are doing remarkably well.

I’ll get Keith to post our actual casino cards when he has a chance and we can discuss each one individually.

I think we’ve clearly demonstrated that even factory pre-shuffled cards have trends and are very beatable. In only 2 days, we’ve become already VERY popular with the almost entirely Mandarin speaking Asians. They have never seen our brand of Baccarat. They immediately fill every table we sit down to and copy our every play.

The tables here are all either $25 - $10,000 or $100 - $15,000. I’ve only played the $100 tables ONE shoe and found it VERY unpredictable. You’ll see that I barely managed to hold my own. So, after that I stuck with the $25s with 123 transitioning up to 234 in good shoes. I’ll try to get to the 345 today now that I have a good cushion to work with.

But also, I’ve figured out here exactly how to present the Betting chapter of the NOR Manual and I’ll be having a lot more to say about this transitioning business in the manual.

Your Teacher

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Week ending May 7th - +460 units. There was a +150 day, shoes were too good to pass up. 3 shoes OT4/5 played with U1D2 would of scored +22 +34 +28 respectively. Using U1W/L actually went to +50 +50 +50 by hand 40.

I will post some shoes when I get back home.

The answer to the qestion below. I will start between Hand 6 - 10. I hardly ever start at hand 2 unless I had one of those great shoes where nothing could go wrong.

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Kiddo, I salute you!! Gives hope to us all that it CAN be done...

I'm curious to hear from Ellis his opinion on the progression being used? Up win or lose one.... very interesting!! And obviously working for Kiddo....!!

Are you waiting for 8 plays before you enter a shoe? or are you starting at play 2?

Any chance of seeing an actual play card with your play by play thoughts included?

Congrats again and keep up the good work!

Last edited by Audionut; 05-03-2011 at 07:02 AM.

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BTW, Kiddo is using the Mode numbers as I origionally posted them in the manual. I then figured it would be easier to go by the number of losing bets. I'll take care of that in the editing.

Nice going Kiddo but I'm not too surprised - You are one hell of a player!

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