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Folks,

I have the video of the 1st part of the NOR forum available for members only at $149.95. The quality is good. In this one we zoom in on the charts contrary to what we do on the free one. So you will hear and see Ellis explain the fine points of System 40 ( Modes and the Zero Option for 40) and then touches on OTB4L. There will be one more Video covering F2 and F3 and various other play. It will be $149.95 also thereby you can get the high points of the NOR seminar for the same price the attendees paid.

Part II features Zebra playing NOR with SAP and Ellis playing a shoe as it is called off live and explaining the bets. Various other Q&A are answered. The VID is over an hour long.

Ellis and I appreciate your support of the forum.

Please note that the Video is in m4v format and plays on Quick Time. It did play on my latest version of Windows Media player; however, it plays best on Quick Time so grab that player from Apple.

http://beatthecasino.com/norvis.html is where to order.

Please allow me a bit of time to send you a user name and password for each order.

I will have the best quality available on DVDs in a few days for those who want a hard copy DVD of the seminar.

One other request.

Please if you decide to buy, don't pass your user name and password around for you will be teaching people how to play at the highest level for free and only hurting this forum by doing that and someone will give it to the casinos at some point.

Regards

keith

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To answer a question yes those who paid and attended the seminar will be given a password for all the videos, just not initially.

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Folks,

Here is the training seminar we have planned for August 13th. The Early Bird Price for members is $249.00. Ellis and myself will be presenting and answering questions. We will be covering all NOR topics and taking all questions.

The course will be 6 hours long. Afterwards we can all go to the Casino whether it be Hollywood Casino in Grantville or up the road to the Sands in Bethlehem.

Non Members the cost is $795.00.

Details will be sent to those who register.

http://events.constantcontact.com/register/event?llr=lmqyi4dab&oeidk=a07e4dsyzgc3ef97388

Regards

Keith

Ah why is the complete video series $300 which is $50 more than the seminar price? One would think you would offer the video at a discount from the seminar. After all, for the seminar price you get one on one counseling, and question answering...you get table time with Ellis and others...etc. With the video series all you just get a recording of brief moments of time that were taken out from the entire weekend. What am I missing?

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Of for goodness sake VIC. The seminar was $299 I gave a $50 dollar discount for early bird. In addition, it was much more expensive to come to the the Seminar with hotel and transportation. If were lucky VIC we'll make a thousand dollars on the videos, no one making a killing here. That means me and Ellis will each get $500 The last member for the forum I sold was August 27th holy cow I am allowed to make a few bucks at this can't I??? We really have nothing more to sell once you buy in and all other revenue for the forum comes from new members and believe me it's not easy getting them. Do you see any new faces in the private forum?

Let's see we took David to AC and he tripled his bankroll playing 6 shoes with us. You don't think it's quality stuff and worth it?

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Of for goodness sake VIC. The seminar was $299 I gave a $50 dollar discount for early bird. In addition, it was much more expensive to come to the the Seminar with hotel and transportation. If were lucky VIC we'll make a thousand dollars on the videos, no one making a killing here. That means me and Ellis will each get $500 The last member for the forum I sold was August 27th holy cow I am allowed to make a few bucks at this can't I??? We really have nothing more to sell once you buy in and all other revenue for the forum comes from new members and believe me it's not easy getting them. Do you see any new faces in the private forum?

Let's see we took David to AC and he tripled his bankroll playing 6 shoes with us. You don't think it's quality stuff and worth it?

OK. First. I do not begrudge you the chance to try and make some money with your forum. That's fine. I may not understand why it is such a priority for you considering both you and Ellis are expert baccarat and blackjack professionals who can make money whenever you'd like. But that's not the point.

You said the cost of the videos was less that the seminar and it isn't. The added cost of transportation and lodging are my own business. Bottom line you charged $249.00 for the seminar and the video is more. Maybe you could reconsider how much you are charging for the seminar videos...that was my reasoning for pointing out the discrepancy in the first place. I had hoped it was just a oversight and maybe the cost would come down but I guess that's not going to happen.

And to answer your last question if I think its worth it at $300.00? No I'm sorry I don't think its worth it. I would be wise to wait for the chance of spending my $300.00 on a Vegas seminar. Its like being faced with the choice of buying a new car or the video of the new car for the same price...which would you rather spend your money on?

In any case my post wasn't meant in malice, sorry for tipping the apple cart sort of speak.

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Vic, you are always very supportive and we like to do favors for our most supportive members.

I can see your point, although it might have been an issue better for private PM than on Keith's sales letter. I agreed to the pricing because it seemed fair to everyone. Why would anyone attend a seminar if they knew the videos would soon be available at a lower total cost. Who would bother traveling to a Vegas seminar if they knew cheaper videos would soon be available. You might have been able to negotiate if cost was an issue but I sorta doubt that you could now. But I don't know. Make Keith an offer. Worth a try. But do it in private!

I also agree with you on seminars in general. Frankly seminars are a lot tougher on me now than they used to be. By the time I get to the Little Rock airport I could already be in Tunica comfortly playing and avoid airfare, hotel and meal expenses as well as being on my feet for 4 hours. Also, I hate Vegas after doing so many seminars there. I used to make $60 - $80,000 per seminar in Vegas whereas the one contemplated I'll be lucky to break even. But today, if it was just about the money I'd go to Tunica and invite you guys to come and watch. That would be a lot easier on me and likely more lucrative. But what can you learn watching someone play?

But recognize that if we lower the video prices, there won't be any Vegas seminar. Why would anyone bother? And if we don't sell videos there won't be any more of those either. We are sort of between a rock and a hard place.

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Can We Please go back to talking about NOR System

Hello Ellis when will be the NOR manuel coming out

and the video in question guys if you are going to play Baccarat if you lose 8 units thats $80 Dollars if you are playing 10 Dollar units $149.00 might be a bit high however the video might help so you dont lose the $80 Dollars or excuse my english 8 units any way where's my video LOL

Keith good job as always I would like to see you guys in Las Vegas soon take care

Don

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The Video covers the fine points of NOR. The 1st one is in depth on tweaking SYSTEM 40 play and touches OTB4L. It is ~32 minutes long mostly all Ellis speaking, covering Modes etc.

The second one is ~1 hour 20 minutes with Zebra and Ellis speaking. Covers SAP enhancements and hand by hand play of shoes being called out. OF course there are questions ask through out the Video.

The video is good and rich with content and the charts are easily seen The first part of the seminar we posted for Free on the public forum. I have just finished publishing the different versions for various devices. It is accessed best with Quick Time and A non Microsoft browser as it is using iframes now for access. The video can also be viewed in a Smart phone with the cellular version now available.

I split them up in two payments of $149.95 as you can buy them individually. When you have absorbed 1 then move onto II. We will clarify any of the topics discuss in the forum that you may have.

Reference Movie:

system40nor.mov

Poster Frame:

system40nor.jpg

Versions:

system40nor - Wi-Fi.m4v

system40nor - Wi-Fi.m4v

system40nor - Cellular.m4v

system40nor - Broadband.m4v

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Keith, I do see one problem with the pricing. A member having already bought one video should receive a quantity discount on the second video. I'm thinking something substantial like 25%. We have always given quantity discounts in the past. If the first one is $150, the 2nd one should be $112 as long as the member buys both.

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Keith, I do see one problem with the pricing. A member having already bought one video should receive a quantity discount on the second video. I'm thinking something substantial like 25%. We have always given quantity discounts in the past. If the first one is $150, the 2nd one should be $112 as long as the member buys both.

Here you go

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=G7SJZ8CATMRCN

Also when I send you the password when you buy, click on the reference movie link to watch the video on the web page.

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not by how many times they say they won.

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Ellie / Keith,

Yes, I agreed with the discount on the 2nd video. 25% I will take it up (as the conversion rate for me is 3.1 over here, so i need to do more saving in order to purchase the 2nd video) I have bought the 1st video, it is very nice to really see Ellis live !

And learning live video is really different from just plain reading.

So, let me know if I am eligible for the discount 25% ?

Cheers

d0ma1n

NOR & SAP student

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Ellie / Keith,

Yes, I agreed with the discount on the 2nd video. 25% I will take it up (as the conversion rate for me is 3.1 over here, so i need to do more saving in order to purchase the 2nd video) I have bought the 1st video, it is very nice to really see Ellis live !

And learning live video is really different from just plain reading.

So, let me know if I am eligible for the discount 25% ?

Cheers

Yep, you are especially eligible d0main!

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I was at the seminar,and there is no doubt that meeting Ellis and Keith, watching them play and observing Ellis demonstrating the finer points of NOR was well worth the trip.

If the video is even half as good as the seminar was, it will be the second best investment you will ever make...the first was when you decided to invest your time and $$ to be part of this forum.

Been playing Bac for 15 years, and there is always more to learn. And I feel certain that to have those vidoes at your disposal, coupled with the NOR manual, will really improve your bankroll. You willprofit many times over the cost of the video!

Well worth the investment, especially if you follow Ellis' teachings...

Good luck to all!

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Yep, you are especially eligible d0main!

That's great ! Then let me know once you have adjusted the payment for 25% off.

Can't wait to watch the 2nd part ... as the current shoes I am dealing is more on OTBL and F series ... high with 3s and 4s and some normal distribution of 1s and 2s. I am playing online (www.dafa888.com), and they are using 8 decks card, but the shoe is very short, around 40-50 hands per shoe.

Cheers

d0ma1n

NOR & SAP student

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I think it is important that we all help one another, the end result for all will be more $$...sure it is fun to play, but not as much fun when you are at the table winning and everyone is looking at you wondering what you are doing that is working so well.

I hope you guys decide to do the Vegas seminar...anybody buys those tapes and watches them a few times + studies their NOR manual til they know it well enough so they are compfortable with all kinds of shoes, plays in real casinos for real world expeience, and gets their mind around a sound MM strategy works for their bankroll IS GOING TO BE A BIG, BIG WINNER when they get to see you and Mr. Smith in action on the Glitter Gulch Strip.

Viva Las Vegas!! If Elvis only knew how right he was...

IMO

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I thought its a really nice gesture on the part of Keith and Ellis to reduce the price on the second part of the video. As much as this is an instructional forum to exchange thoughts and ideas on how to slay the proverbial "dragon" of a casino (and no I don't mean the 40:1 odds one), I look at this whole concept here as a business and as school. As a student, if you want to learn and develop skills which in the future will earn you an income, you need to pay to able to learn. In the same sense, as a person pays for a personal trainer to help them get their body in shape,or take golf,tennis or even piano lessons, there is a fee involved. The fact that what we are paying to learn here can parlay into earning a tidy income with a skill that is recession proof is something to behold. I come from a philosophy that one should pay for a service given. In truth, I really believe the fees should have been much higher for videos. I admit to being a serial purchaser of several baccarat systems. All of these "gurus" tell you beforehand of how there will be ample support to justify the prices of their course. YEAH, RIGHT! I know if I feel blessed to actually be involved with persons of integrity here, who actually walk the walk and talk the talk.

I feel more confident now going walking into a casino in AC as I will be doing this coming week. I realize I have a long way to go before I can actually say I am good Baccarat player. Each day I see a little light at the end of tunnel here. The guys and gals sitting next to me at BAC aren't armed with the tools as I am. I just have to learn to use them correctly. Thanks to all of you who makes this all possible.

Be Well

Joey

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That's great ! Then let me know once you have adjusted the payment for 25% off.

Can't wait to watch the 2nd part ... as the current shoes I am dealing is more on OTBL and F series ... high with 3s and 4s and some normal distribution of 1s and 2s. I am playing online (www.dafa888.com), and they are using 8 decks card, but the shoe is very short, around 40-50 hands per shoe.

Cheers

Ha, this means they are using card counting countermeasures. But I've never seen any card counting tactics that work in Baccarat. Hell, they don't even work in BJ.

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I thought its a really nice gesture on the part of Keith and Ellis to reduce the price on the second part of the video. As much as this is an instructional forum to exchange thoughts and ideas on how to slay the proverbial "dragon" of a casino (and no I don't mean the 40:1 odds one), I look at this whole concept here as a business and as school. As a student, if you want to learn and develop skills which in the future will earn you an income, you need to pay to able to learn. In the same sense, as a person pays for a personal trainer to help them get their body in shape,or take golf,tennis or even piano lessons, there is a fee involved. The fact that what we are paying to learn here can parlay into earning a tidy income with a skill that is recession proof is something to behold. I come from a philosophy that one should pay for a service given. In truth, I really believe the fees should have been much higher for videos. I admit to being a serial purchaser of several baccarat systems. All of these "gurus" tell you beforehand of how there will be ample support to justify the prices of their course. YEAH, RIGHT! I know if I feel blessed to actually be involved with persons of integrity here, who actually walk the walk and talk the talk.

I feel more confident now going walking into a casino in AC as I will be doing this coming week. I realize I have a long way to go before I can actually say I am good Baccarat player. Each day I see a little light at the end of tunnel here. The guys and gals sitting next to me at BAC aren't armed with the tools as I am. I just have to learn to use them correctly. Thanks to all of you who makes this all possible.

Be Well

Joey

Thanks Joey! I think the MAIN hurdle for students is to get your head in a place wherein you truly believe that casinos can be beat. Once in that domain you have the inspiration to learn as much as you possibly can.

It was great at the seminar to be able to SHOW you first hand rather than relying on telling you and hoping that you believe me.

I think Dave did an excellent job on ImSpirit on reporting on exactly what he saw W/O embellishment. Anybody can get lucky and win 6 shoes. But it takes a lot more than luck to do it with a 26% P.A.

But also, I was very happy to get back to AC after 15 years. It brought back a flood of good memories.

Ha, and Dave can tell you - I still knew how to get around town a whole lot better than our navigation system did. Ahh, that salt air. Hmm, and those new beach bars. The first thing I did was taste the ocean water. Ha, not much salt water in Arkansas.

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I think it is important that we all help one another, the end result for all will be more $$...sure it is fun to play, but not as much fun when you are at the table winning and everyone is looking at you wondering what you are doing that is working so well.

I hope you guys decide to do the Vegas seminar...anybody buys those tapes and watches them a few times + studies their NOR manual til they know it well enough so they are compfortable with all kinds of shoes, plays in real casinos for real world expeience, and gets their mind around a sound MM strategy works for their bankroll IS GOING TO BE A BIG, BIG WINNER when they get to see you and Mr. Smith in action on the Glitter Gulch Strip.

Viva Las Vegas!! If Elvis only knew how right he was...

IMO

Yeah! Now, for my next trick.....

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