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I want to play online baccarat (live dealer) in my free time at mornings. Do any public members or NOR members play online? I am afraid because if the website realizes that you are a winning bac player they can close your account or make everything possible to avoid playing.

Any member considers online baccarat as a part time job?

It would be great to read reviews about it.

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Hi Dancito,

I don’t play online, but I have a friend who does, or did. So I asked him about it.

He was playing on Bet Phoenix, but has quit playing for real money. He tells me that once he had questions about a hand where he thought that the order of the deal was reversed. He wrote Customer Service with a question, but did not get a satisfactory response. They did reply asking for the same information he had already sent them. He resent it and never heard back.

He also tells me that BP has put some kind of pop up on their site that causes the table to disappear at inconvenient times and makes it difficult to take a break. Also, some of the dealers will drive you batty. One in the afternoons seems to switch off and sits there looking dazed when he should be dealing.

Another problem he mentions is that the card reader makes a lot of mistakes, and they are not always caught. I know that you can write to customer service and supposedly get it corrected, but look what happened above. The dealers also make errors. My friend says he has seen several in the last few days. He also says that some of the dealers are not well trained, they seem to be doing “on the job training”.

He also adds that BP’s customer service is probably about anything but service. A couple of times they have been downright rude.

I get the impression that he would not recommend playing there.

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I am afraid because if the website realizes that you are a winner bac player they can close your account or make everything possible to avoid playing.

An interesting observation I would say.

Has anyone you know had their account closed because they were winning? If you do know of someone, please ask them how they played so we can all be banned for winning!

Seriously, when you find an online casino that will accept your buy-in, practice on it using free play until YOU'RE convinced that it's some place that you actually can feel comfortable playing at.

Online play is not for everyone and there are many small problems that crop up from time to time that are easily avoided or fixed as needed.

When you think about the logistics of running a LIVE, online casino, it would be almost impossible not to have problems. Video feeds that disappear, dealers bored, incorrect card reading (always note the game number!) and bets not accepted in time.

Those of us who do play online have seen most of the problems mentioned and have taken the effort to fix them.

One of my personal "no-no's" is to play when there is no video available. I'm not that desperate to play that I can't wait until later or the next day for the video feed to show up. If I'm playing and the game gets laggy or way out of sync with the speed of the game, I'll leave the table.

Test the casino you want to play at. READ the player agreement in full and then READ IT AGAIN. Be especially careful of accepting the always present "free money bonus" junk that spews out of all of them. And of course READ THE AGREEMENT!!!

I think I've made my point on reading what you're buying into. Most of the online casinos will want a lot of personal information in order to pay you your winnings. This is good. First off, it means you're winning! Woo-Hoo! And second it means you're dealing with an online casino that is holding up their side of the bargain with regards to security.

As a US player, we're very limited to what online casinos we can actually play with. I've accepted the shortcomings of BetPhoenix (not BetPhoenixCasino which is totally different) and have been playing there for over two years now on my original $200 buy-in!

The methods presented here in the BTC forums have been invaluable in me continuing to make my weekly profits for such a long period of time.

Anyway, the bottom line is to find an online casino, play the live table with the free money, get comfortable and THEN make the deposit. If you're not a US player, the online casino opportunites are fantastic with a wealth of good European houses.

Here's wishing you continued good luck and skilled play at the tables.

MVS

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Very well said MVS and Res!

Danicito, also ONLY play live games! Do NOT play the random generator on line casinos. There is NO way to win against an RG in the long run.

Also recognize that on line you are giving up your advantage of Table Selection. This is a significant disadvantage of current on line technology.

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Hi Guys,

My recent experience:

Here in Italy a new gambling law allowed new on-line casino opening.

In the past I usually played at Dublin-bet and Black Orchid - no problem there.

Sunday I charged some money in a new casino, 888.it. After some plays I realized that the software was charging my losses but not my winnings.

I called the pit-boss and made a complain; today the problem is not solved (4 days passed); hope that it will be soon.

It would be nice if they didn't charge my losses at all: I think that everything would be adjusted yet!

So play but with attention. Dealer's make mistakes in live casino too!

ciao

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]I think MVS covered Betphoenix or Bogartcasino.com (same live table) if you get lost in the Betphoenix kingdom of websites.

I was hoping that someone that plays more than one online casino would start a thread about online (live dealer) games. I don't feel qualified to do it as I only play at Betphoenix live dealer baccarat so my observations are based on that and a couple thousand practice shoes at Dublinbet.com a couple years back.

I have not played at Dublinbet lately simply because I don't have a cash account there but when I did practice there a lot their baccarat games were very good IMO even though they can deal absurdly fast during their day hours. If you want a slower dealt game try playing after midnight Dublin Time when the table fills up with the mostly Asian players. They do a good job of slowing down the dealer and it takes them a little longer to do pay-offs and such.

As far as Betphoenix goes it can be hit or miss at times as sometimes they have technical problems and they may go down in the middle of the shoe or the video feed may go out entirely. Personally I have come to trust the shoes when the video is down because the shoes do not seem to take any more than the usual twists and turns. It just seems like business as usual without the video to me.

Betphoenix itself is sort of an odd creature. I stumbled upon it as someone that rarely posts mentioned it as a place that accepted Americans. I checked out their site 3 months before I joined because it looked so goofy to me with the oversized cards and the mostly female dealers dressed provocatively and I guess the whole thing looked contrived and also it was based in Costa Rica which had a bad reputation for their online casino's in general back then. Always do your homework when it comes to any casino.

Three months later lamenting the travel times and general crappiness of the nearest B&R casino I took a chance and deposited. So far my experience has been good and some bad. The first few months there bac shoes where like dreams from the past. Huge runs both opposite and repeat, and their signal was rock steady as according to the sports betting forums they had their own ISP then and was a huge well financed operation.

The bad experience's is the day I joined they went off the air for an entire week ( as if my joining totaled the whole thing) and when I was about to kiss my deposit goodbye they were up and running again. Ever since then their signal out of Costa Rica has not been all that reliable.

If I had access to Dublinbet and the rest of the highly ranked live player casinos I would probably not play there that much. But if you have no option either because you live in a country like the USA that has online gambling regulations that make it hard to use other online casinos you may want to give Bph a try.

They do have a nice setup displaying the shoe on a horizontal card and a vertical card that you can scroll through if you want. The average shoe takes about an Hour and 15 minutes but can extend a bit when the dealers seem to be staring off into space not sure of what to do. I personally think they are cued to pull a card to the bank or player by staging lights like at a drag strip or something to that effect. This is one way they keep dealer errors to a minimum IMO. But you still have to deal with dropped games occasionally and or a play that freezes and then suddenly BLIPS and you are on the next hand. Your money is refunded usually. I had one occasion to contact them on this because I thought they shorted me $ 10.00 bucks but they never answered a couple of emails so I blew it off. Another time I tuned in and the dealer was dealing a perfect pattern of I forget exactly what but something like 2112 or 3113 and me just coming alive I just put $10.00 dollars on the pattern and it never broke for the whole shoe at which time they abruptly closed the table. I won 20 bets in a row so close to $200.00. So to make a long story short they credited me the winning then took it back saying the dealer had neglected to shuffle the cards. So I shot back via email that being it was only a couple hundred forget about it as accidents happen. Of course what I wanted to say was pay me you cheap mothers cuz it ain't my problem your dealer didn't shuffle, but I bit my tongue on that one mostly because it is my only real money outlet.

All in all I would describe Betphoenix as a learning experience in online baccarat play at an upstart casino who has to the date of this writing gone through so many shuffle maneuvers I have lost count. In the past week they have eliminated most good F-betting opportunities as their shoes are distinctly favoring OTB4L betting which is just dandy with me after I dust off Skor/ks (basically OTB4L with cues as to when to take the TB4L shots then retreat to OTB4L rinse and repeat). In that manner it is like NOR but flat bets except on what PJ has brought up recently on 2nd liners and also with options for those that want to play 212 or 222 down runs if one wants. Leaning toward flat betting is not a bad option at Bph as if the shoe BLIPS and you miss a hand it isn't as crucial as when you are on a progression run.

In summary, I would think it is a good place to practice as they change their shuffle procedures so frequently that it will force you to learn every aspect of this game as a survival mechanism. And if you doze off like some of us old codgers tend to do, your bet is taken down after each hand unlike Dublinbet. I think anybody can open a fun account there and they let you play pretty much unmolested as long as you make a bet every forth hand fun or money mode. Just net bet a $5.00 on each side to keep from being tossed. You can even play dollar progressions to get the feel for whatever system you may be practicing with net bets based at a dollar until you see something worth a full unit bet.

Also to save on score cards if you are screwing around and have a monitor of 20 inches or more you can run Plasia's Bac Helper program right next to the game and record it and save the shoe to documents and if you are really committed take those and put a whole session of several shoes as a cover sheet on the shoes you actually used a card on. I only wish that you could hit a button and the data from the Plasia's Bac Helper would print out a corresponding graph of the saved shoes. Are you listening Plasia ? wink, wink lol.

P.S. For whatever reason with a monitor of 20" the Bac helper fits better with the firefox browser... the bac table is a little smaller then with explorer 8 anyway. Oh and if you can not stand to look at the dealers any longer with the deer in the headlights gaze happening do what I do and trim a post it note to just cover their torso so you can still see the discard rack and shoe.

P.P.S I don’t remember where Plasia’s Bac Helper application is located in the forum....maybe someone can help. I can never seem to get the search function to work well here. DUH :confused:

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I want to play online baccarat (live dealer) in my free time at mornings.

Do any public members or NOR members play online? I am afraid because if the website realizes that you are a winner bac player they can close your account or make everything possible to avoid playing.

Any member considers online baccarat as a part time job?

would be great to read reviews about it

Hi,

There are numerous online casino's in the world. Most of the Asian online casino's are from the Philipines. In early days there are lots of them and most of them are not genuine. I am not sure about those in other countries. Now things are better.

I play online but there are only 3 baccarat tables. You must be very patience and careful in table selection. Most of the time you won't find table with bias (you must logout and come back to search again later, do not force yourself to play). If you can do that then you can certainly play online. Most of the online casino here uses a 6 decks card and per shoe its only 50+- hands, so you may not want to go in too late.

Hope these answer your question. Take Care.

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Hi,

There are numerous online casino's in the world. Most of the Asian online casino's is from Philipines. In early days there are lots of them and most of them are not genuine. I am not sure about those in other countries. Now things are better.

I play online but there are only 3 baccarat tables. you must be very patience and careful in table selection. Most of the time you wont find table with Bias. (You must logout and come back to search again later, do not force yourself to play ) If you can do that then you can certainly play online. Most of the online casino here uses a 6 decks card and per shoe its only 50+- hands, so you may not want to go in too late.

Hope these answer your question. Take Care.

Good post vinfong!

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isn't it suspicious when you make more withdrawals than deposits?.

Online Casinos realize that you are a winning player.

what actions can they take? ... knowing that they don't like losing

Well, they can just close your account if they really want to, but they don't.

Actually they can close your account for any reason they deem adequate. You don't even have to be winning!

Seriously, if you're playing by the rules, not scamming them in some way or another and don't act like a jerk online with the dealers, you'll not be having any problems with the infamous "being banned" from their site. They want you to play. They know their business and that is to keep YOU, the player, at the table as long as possible.

However, if you're really concerned about being banned for some reason, just withdrawl your initial deposit AND a good amount of profit at the most convenient time and then should you actually be "banned", at least you're not out any money and you've got a profit too!

Really, I wouldn't give a second thought to the "being banned" boogie man.

If you wind up taking $25,000 a month out of them, THEN I'd be concerned but by that time you'd be playing in Las Vegas or Macau and it wouldn't be a problem anymore.

MVS

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hi...I really gone through all the posts ....Of course playing Baccarat online is interesting but for that you should know a;ll the rules and betting scheme of online betting of Baccarat...As I am a new player to the concept of online Baccarat so i really want some more tips.

It is time for you to join the private forum emma. 99% of players lose in the long run. You can't learn on your own. The private forum shows you how to be in the 1% winners group.

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All,

Well, as I've posted this in a few other forums, I may as well put it here too!

Was online at Black Orchid when I ran into this gem. Four 8's in a hand!

I was not too concerned when the hand started out 8/5=3 for me and 8/4=2 for the Banker.

I did get concerned when I drew another 8 to give me "1" for this hand and a loser for sure.

The baccarat gods smiled on me and drew ANOTHER 8 to the Banker to finish with a zero!

Player wins 1 - 0. Woo-Hoo!

Of course I was on Player for the wager. Just look at the board.

The NOR play had me on the "F" series at this point in the shoe.

MVS

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Hello!!!

I would like to play on dublinbet.com.

does anybody play on dublinbet.com currently? reviews...

and what kind of deposit way do you suggest? I am seeing that moneybookers has a bonus code.

Thanks

Dancito,

Where do you live? Dublinbet is not available for "real money" play to US residents so hopefully some of those who are outside of the Colonies will chime in here.

MVS

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