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NOR Baccarat my trip story to Foxwoods and Mohegan SUN - Ho GOD, am I dreaming?


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I'm excited and happy from the result of my last games at Atlantic City. I decided this time to play baccarat at the Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods casinos in Connecticut.

The traffic was slow. It took me about 4 hours to get there. Thank you GPS...:confused:

I arrived at about 2:00 pm at Foxwoods waiting on a sit at the baccarat tables. The majority of the players are elderly people most likely arrived with the daily casino buss. The tables were $20 minimum.

While waiting I remembered from watching Video that Ellis told the audience that one of the key elements to success in winning baccarat is to find the proper table, collect history on the last games Also I had time to peek into previous play on the tables by reviewing old cards left on the table.

It took about 25 minutes and sit number 1 opened. I sat down. The Shoe is in progress it was dealt about 31 hands. Overall the shoe cycle is gearing toward natural. Based on my calculation using my score card the score is hoovering around + - 2.

I set at the table for about 10 minutes. The floor person walks over to me and asked me if I'm planning to play? Otherwise I have to give up the sit because they had other players requesting to play at this table.

I cashed $500. The score was -1.

I waited a few more hands and here it came a breakout of the natural flow took place entering a choppy shoe. Perfect for the S40 approach.

I started to bet. The count O/R was at +6 so I increased my bets from $20 to $100. It triggered the floor person attention, standing next to me. I didn't worry about that because I'm not cheating. They are with their wired suffered cards.

The problem why the floor person was standing next to me is not because I bet a black chip. She wanted to see/follow on how am I picking up my bet. Why? Because the rest of the table started to follow me and waited for me to place a bet. I kept a low profile. My goal was to get 10 to 15 units and wait for the next shoe. But the attention toward me was too high, I was about to leave. The floor person asked me to color in. Because they were short of chips. I ended up with +18 mixed bet for a total of $1,300.00.

Scared but happy from the result of the first game, I left the Casino and drove towards Mohegan Sun about a 30 minutes ride. The staff was nice. As usual I kept a low profile. The two tables next to me were crowded, unbelievable $10 minimum. I guess the economy does impact the Casinos.

I set at an empty $25 dollar table asked the dealer to start the game. The dealer started to prepare the game asking the floor person a permission to extract cards from the master shuffler machine.

I cashed a $1000.00 ($500 in $25's and 5 black chips $100 value each unit). I did not want to play by myself. But the dealer told me that she doesn't care if I place 1 chip on the banker and 1 chip on the player "simulating a free hand". Worse case scenario will be losing 5% commission if the Banker won. Luckily as the game about to start 3 other players joined. I was so happy. Because I wasn't sure if the Pit - Boss or the Casino allows that type of bets? I was afraid to ask. Remember I'm trying to keep a low profile. All I know that in Las Vegas you can request a few free hands without "abusing" their allowance.

Although the NOR approach calls to observe then enter and play the hands according to the O/R (SAP is a plus). My approach is slightly different because for now I 'm running the S40 approach only. I'm looking to intercept my signal. A conservative play. In times it leaves big winnings on the table. But I 'm not greedy. It will change as soon as I start applying the navigation approach of using a combined 40N, F2, F3 and SAP at the table. I'm still practicing. No rush the Casinos are going no where.

The current game at the table is slow. A new dealer arrived. She took her time talking to the dealer at the next table. The 2 out of the 3 players at this table are about to lose all their bankroll. All left so I left too going for a nice dinner. I end up with $331.25.

GOD Bless,

John

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Congrats on a good outing. But you never have to be scared of casino employees. You got her attention because you were probably the big bettor at the table. Depending on how long you bet at that level they would certainly love to have you come back time and time again. Good to see you winning by flat betting.

Also you claim the casino is cheating? What does this mean, "their wired suffered cards."? I have no idea what that could mean?

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Hi BigVIC,

Responding to your question and comments.

The problem wasn't with my $100 bet. The floor person problem was that the entire table was following my bets.

With all the respect to the individual and I'm not a racist, I was the only white boy on the baccarat table. The orientals which had a nice amount of chips on the table started to push large bets in with an objective to recover their losses. Again by following me and we won. This event probably trigger the floor person to "WATCH ME".

The comment I made about the Casino "CHEATING", sorry I misspelled the word shuffling.

Once you watch Ellis NOR baccarat Q&A. You will understand and he is correct 101%, The URL is :

You can tell that in times the cards will have a serious of large cards dealt out leaving small cards in the shoe. It will change the flow of the cycle towards natural. meaning, you will see that the score on O/R will hoover around the + - 2 or 3. Another words going no where if you will. Yes you can play 40N but you rather walk away from the table and look for an easier game/flow of cards. Because in a natural condition the casino make the big $.

You need to realize that the players on those table are big bettors. They have no concept of Money management and will use similar concepts such as martingale to recover in one or two shots their losses. The Casino loves them!

In terms of Money management here is what "NOR" and Ellis the founder teach:

You can remain in flat bets or use 1,2,3. If the shoe is "HOT" use 3,4,5. In times go to progression of 4 or 5 but it is all relative to your bankroll as well as the minimum and maximum bets on the table. The score at your card. Are you up 10 units? you just loss let say 1,2,3 total of 6 units. Why give back the remaining 4 winning unit by going to 4. Why not reset the count and wait for the reestablishment of the cycles?

there is no argument that Money management is one of the most critical part of the game. You can't expect to achieve a concept of arriving at the $25 table and buy for $100 and expect to win big unless lady luck is on your side. This is how the orientals do. They will arrive to the table not knowing what is going on and piggyback a bet on another players bet at the table. This is how to go broke!

Why not wait to get the proper signal.s We don't know what will be the result on the next hand... But remember the SAP (Lease Common). Or in S40 the high + count in O/R chances are you beat the Casino. Always establish tour goal of how many units you are looking to win per shoe. Once reached you must stop playing. Don't go back and say I wish I stayed because the shoe was good and it made another 30 units. This will cause any player to develop the wrong approach to the game and in the long run HE/SHE will go broke.

I first was thinking that the above is nonsense. Until I started to experience it by myself. An evidence which is sufficient to show that it's true.

GOD Bless,

John

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Thanks for the reply jrhelp007. Maybe you didn't notice but I am a NOR member here at BTC. So I already know what Ellis teaches. Even with what Ellis teaches it still doesn't explain why you appear to be so nervous when betting. I suppose we all are when we first start out, of course winning has alot to do with calming the nerves. Keep up the good work. Always good to hear of people winning at the casinos.

When you start to implement the negative progressions that's taught in the NOR manual, please leave a trip report about that as well. Thank you.

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Congrats on a good outing. But you never have to be scared of casino employees. You got her attention because you were probably the big bettor at the table. Depending on how long you bet at that level they would certainly love to have you come back time and time again. Good to see you winning by flat betting.

Also you claim the casino is cheating? What does this mean, "their wired suffered cards."? I have no idea what that could mean?

What an exciting account. I am going to Vegas in a couple weeks, and this story has greatly inspired me to play smart and win a chunk of money. i feel like I have been getting pretty good at Baccarat, and your tips will definitely help me out. What do you mean when you say the casino is cheating? Thanks.

-Steve

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What an exciting account. I am going to Vegas in a couple weeks, and this story has greatly inspired me to play smart and win a chunk of money. i feel like I have been getting pretty good at Baccarat, and your tips will definitely help me out. What do you mean when you say the casino is cheating? Thanks.

-Steve

What are the Best Las Vegas Hotels to play Baccarat at?

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What are the Best Las Vegas Hotels to play Baccarat at?

Personally, I think the best is Gold Coast at the 6 or 7 table isle next to the wall - closest to the buffet. The middle isle is preshuffled but the wall isle is standard cards Bac and very bias prone. I have never lost playing that isle but I have won 20 shoes in a row several times. Give it a try!

Good luck!

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