hard shoe

[moneybac]

start a new thread for the hard shoe,maybe it's me,but i found this shoe to be a hard shoe to follow,i didn't know if i should share this shoe with you or not,didn't want to rain on your parade,you might throw me off the train,LOL.a what the hell,maybe it well help us out,if not then just delete.as i was at the casino last night,all 6 tables full,so i sat at the slot machine and practiced paper playing watching the monitor in between peoples head's,but it's neat,sometimes the game goes faster leaving you behind but you don't know the answer,so you take your time,then just look up to see if you got the right answer,bingo got that one right and who do i see bending down low peeking through the crowd ,the pit boss,you believe that,watching me like a hawk,but they don't have any power at that distance,they look so,like an idiot LOL.I THINK I GOT THEM SCARED,I FEEL LIKE THE HUNTED IS NOW THE HUNTER,getting much faster at this,a lot less mistakes.but i wasn't hitting them like the other night.so i was glad i was just paper playing this shoe.i'm sure were going to run into shoes like this in the future,or maybe it's just me. b1,2,2,2,1,1,10,1.p1,1,1,1,2,1,4,3,1,1,3,1.b3,1,2,2,3,1,4,4.p2,4,1,1,1.then everyone left,it was a short shoe then they reshuffled.average shoe is around 70 to 80+ hands,this one 44,not counting ties

[Norm A]

start a new thread for the hard shoe,maybe it's me,but i found this shoe to be a hard shoe to follow,i didn't know if i should share this shoe with you or not,didn't want to rain on your parade,you might throw me off the train,LOL.a what the hell,maybe it well help us out,if not then just delete.as i was at the casino last night,all 6 tables full,so i sat at the slot machine and practiced paper playing watching the monitor in between peoples head's,but it's neat,sometimes the game goes faster leaving you behind but you don't know the answer,so you take your time,then just look up to see if you got the right answer,bingo got that one right and who do i see bending down low peeking through the crowd ,the pit boss,you believe that,watching me like a hawk,but they don't have any power at that distance,they look so,like an idiot LOL.I THINK I GOT THEM SCARED,I FEEL LIKE THE HUNTED IS NOW THE HUNTER,getting much faster at this,a lot less mistakes.but i wasn't hitting them like the other night.so i was glad i was just paper playing this shoe.i'm sure were going to run into shoes like this in the future,or maybe it's just me. b1,2,2,2,1,1,10,1.p1,1,1,1,2,1,4,3,1,1,3,1.b3,1,2,2,3,1,4,4.p2,4,1,1,1.then everyone left,it was a short shoe then they reshuffled.average shoe is around 70 to 80+ hands,this one 44,not counting ties

A little confused when you say this shoe was 44 hands, I count 69 hands, at any rate I quit this shoe at hand 68 with +10

Playing the way I play which is follow the shoe. What score did you get and how did you play it ? (what system)

[moneybac]

your right norm 69,i don't know how i got 44,i must have pick up another card by mistake when i was typing this on the site,here it's the next day i'm still a little confused,i was trying to play otb4l,with 4d and look for the strongest or weakest,then the 10 in a row kind of confused me,i guest i need to study and relax more.like i said ,it might be me,went 2 days in a row.that's nice about this site,you can really or someone else can pick out your mistake,thank's norm,great catch

[MVSeahog]

start a new thread for the hard shoe,maybe it's me,but i found this shoe to be a hard shoe to follow,i didn't know if i should share this shoe with you or not,didn't want to rain on your parade,you might throw me off the train,LOL.a what the hell,maybe it well help us out,if not then just delete.as i was at the casino last night,all 6 tables full,so i sat at the slot machine and practiced paper playing watching the monitor in between peoples head's,but it's neat,sometimes the game goes faster leaving you behind but you don't know the answer,so you take your time,then just look up to see if you got the right answer,bingo got that one right and who do i see bending down low peeking through the crowd ,the pit boss,you believe that,watching me like a hawk,but they don't have any power at that distance,they look so,like an idiot LOL.I THINK I GOT THEM SCARED,I FEEL LIKE THE HUNTED IS NOW THE HUNTER,getting much faster at this,a lot less mistakes.but i wasn't hitting them like the other night.so i was glad i was just paper playing this shoe.i'm sure were going to run into shoes like this in the future,or maybe it's just me. b1,2,2,2,1,1,10,1.p1,1,1,1,2,1,4,3,1,1,3,1.b3,1,2,2,3,1,4,4.p2,4,1,1,1.then everyone left,it was a short shoe then they reshuffled.average shoe is around 70 to 80+ hands,this one 44,not counting ties

moneybac,

Paragraphs are our friend. (hehehe)

Anyway, I was intrigued with this shoe and at first glance, when I started to run it, I thought I would be in chop heaven. Obviously that 10 Banker run brought those thoughts to a screeching halt.

B122211(10)1

P111121431131

B31223144

P24111

I was a bit troubled with the shoe and wondered if my old standby would work on it.

I can see where some would want to jump into an F2 mode around hand 15 or so with Bank appearing to really start to run away with it and that would at least salvage the attempt at OTB4L.

I test ran a simple S40/Adv (3-Hi) on it (BTC circa 2009) and it produced a very nice +16 to finish.

I only wanted to comment that when it looks like you're starting to give it all back, it might be time to "pull back" and see what WOULD be working and then perhaps run with that. Of course a lot of that depends on your tolerance for losses and your wagering limit. I'm still kind of a "conservative" guy and tend to draw the line at 1,2,3 or 2,3,4 as my maximums.

MVS

Edited November 17, 2013 by MVSeahog
Spelling again

[MVSeahog]

as i was at the casino last night,all 6 tables full,so i sat at the slot machine and practiced paper playing watching the monitor in between peoples head's

moneybac,

I forgot to ask earlier, what casino was this in?

MVS

[moneybac]

it all disappeared after i pressed the reply button last night,try again,hi M/VS,glad you were intrigued, i put the shoe up to see how you would react using 4D,as it had 14,1's,7,2's,that's normal,even 3,3's,but 4,4's,1,6,1,10 kind of messed things up,have been seeing this a lot lately,the 4D will tell you right away,but this shoe i'm not sure, i see maybe p/b or tt,pp,like a roller coast,then play the high's and low's norm i tried the rd,had a high point of 20+ at hd 42 then down hill to hd68,back up with 7+,reminds me of another shoe, nothing seem to work,then rd killed it. mv your test of S40/ADV(3-HI),sounds good too.thank's

[Edgonsal]

it all disappeared after i pressed the reply button last night,try again,hi M/VS,glad you were intrigued, i put the shoe up to see how you would react using 4D,as it had 14,1's,7,2's,that's normal,even 3,3's,but 4,4's,1,6,1,10 kind of messed things up,have been seeing this a lot lately,the 4D will tell you right away,but this shoe i'm not sure, i see maybe p/b or tt,pp,like a roller coast,then play the high's and low's norm i tried the rd,had a high point of 20+ at hd 42 then down hill to hd68,back up with 7+,reminds me of another shoe, nothing seem to work,then rd killed it. mv your test of S40/ADV(3-HI),sounds good too.thank's

I played a shoe at Mohegan Sun in CT Monday morning and just tried it with 4D

B1131211221221

P1122131171

P112132312112

P1411

I tried to predict the next outcome based on the counts (I wrote a "P" or "B" next to each column for each hand result) and picked the majority of the next predicted outcome and then circled the correct previous column result. It was well over 50% correct in predicting.

BTW if the 4 columns (P/B - O/R - O/T - OO/TT) showed 2 P's and 2 B's - I skipped the bet and recorded the result.

The strongest bet in this shoe was TTBL reaching a plus 10 at times. I wouldn't have even looked at that if not for 4D. Food for thought

I realize that this isn't the exact way that 4D should be played but I just wanted to post this shoe for practice and share my thoughts.

Comments and/or suggestions are always appreciated

[kelvin2009]

A little confused when you say this shoe was 44 hands, I count 69 hands, at any rate I quit this shoe at hand 68 with +10

Playing the way I play which is follow the shoe. What score did you get and how did you play it ? (what system)

Can you show me how you play this shoe and what betting progression and money management method are you using? i always use u1d2 which is scary sometimes as i need to utilise high bet on a single outcome.

[kelvin2009]

A little confused when you say this shoe was 44 hands, I count 69 hands, at any rate I quit this shoe at hand 68 with +10

Playing the way I play which is follow the shoe. What score did you get and how did you play it ? (what system)

Can you show me how you play this shoe and what betting progression and money management method are you using? i always use u1d2 which is scary sometimes as i need to utilise high bet on a single outcome.