Guest Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Hi peeps,Questions for Ellis, Keith or Long-term members:I watched the video with Keith and a few other people sitting a room at the Vdara on the website...I believe it's the Las Vegas Crawl from 2014.Just some general questions:The guy in the red shirt seems pretty hardcore, which is great. What I found confusing in the video, is it seems everyone was playing a bit different or had different ideas. Towards the end Keith finally says...lets just play by the rules and start with S40.What I don't get is...why are people straying from the rules Ellis/Keith have created? At one point in the video...I think it was the guy in the red shirt says, "we know that NOR isn't really working"? He seems to suggest that casinos have changed the "randomness" of the cards. Making them streak, chop, neutral, chop, chop, streak, chop... Yet, Keith says...it's chaos. The randomness of the cards.What are they playing? MDB? Keith seems to pushing for NOR towards the end?Keith, can you shed some light on the whole conversation or possibly the guy in the red shift in the video.Thanks for any replies,HamsterI enjoyed watching the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted February 28, 2015 Users Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Now the casinos have the technology to put the cards in any order very fast by computer card sorters and they have designers who design shoes which should give them a high win rate and players a hard time.they start out 1 way so you start betting for that pattern then they change so you lose and try and follow the next pattern and then it changes again. They know how long to keep 1 pattern so you will follow but not enough to let you win.Theres ways to win but its harder than normal hand shuffled cards like in the past.Theres not any shoe that cant be beaten so Ellis says.If you know all the info on this site - Nor, mdb, netbet, sap, 4d you can easily find a weakness to beat itmaybe in the past you could pick 1 bias and play it thru the whole shoe. not likely any more.10 years ago there was hardly any baccarat tables on main floor in my casino - now theres heaps.since they figure out how to win they promote them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 1, 2015 Users Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Hi Brad01,I agree with you that the shoe bias is changing quickly. How do you know about the designers and the technology? Are you guessing or do you have some insight? If so,please explain.ThxCT70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Hi Brad01,I agree with you that the shoe bias is changing quickly. How do you know about the designers and the technology? Are you guessing or do you have some insight? If so,please explain.ThxCT70Good question CT!My casino uses a shuffling machine...the same one that goes on poker tables. I find it hard to believe these machines can read cards and place them in a certain order to cause short bursts of bias.Please explain in full Brad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted March 1, 2015 Users Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 My casino also uses their own shuffle machines beneath the tables and alternating red and blue card decks for no touch. What happens beneath the table you dont know and cant see but do you really think that technology is new in this day and age? Its not. Ellis has discussed it many times on private forum. He said i hate to tell you guys but shuffle machines dont just shuffle any more they put the cards into predetermined orders. They can even put them into boxed order at the touch of a button. Read the latest post in mdb forum on card shuffles by ellis. Im not making this up i got the informatiin all from this forum by ellis himself. Hand shuffle cant get rid of bias easily and is easy for nor. When this bias shifts several times in a shoe you think its just chance? Its not. You think its chance those patterns last enough to suck you into a betting method and then changes? You think this coincides with the casinos big push of baccarat worldwide? Its not chance. Before they cant win big profits now they can 16% + profits. Did i make that up too? No i got it from this forum from ellis.By the way online casinos still use hand shuffle and i won +16 this morning from nor s40 and it lasted the whole shoe. And i got +2 from mdb at the same time as there is al least 2 - 3 mdb bets in every shoe. Ct70 the switches do not make it easy for nor anymore but you can still win but you have to be smarter and 1 step ahead. I done the nor bootcamp and steve can still show you how to beat every shoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users andyco Posted March 1, 2015 Users Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 This is why I only play the preshuffled shoes... touch games.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted March 1, 2015 Users Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Good call those casino shuffled shoes can be hard to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted March 1, 2015 Users Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Hamster maybe your casinos shufflers cant put in predetermined order. Maybe they just shuffle. Not every casino is the same but that technology definitely exists and is not new. If you joined the forum you could learn how to pick the bias quickly and what system to use against it. Then if they keep doing the same thing which they usually do you can keep winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigVic Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 My casino also uses their own shuffle machines beneath the tables and alternating red and blue card decks for no touch. What happens beneath the table you dont know and cant see but do you really think that technology is new in this day and age? Its not. Ellis has discussed it many times on private forum. He said i hate to tell you guys but shuffle machines dont just shuffle any more they put the cards into predetermined orders. They can even put them into boxed order at the touch of a button. Read the latest post in mdb forum on card shuffles by ellis. Im not making this up i got the informatiin all from this forum by ellis himself. Hand shuffle cant get rid of bias easily and is easy for nor. When this bias shifts several times in a shoe you think its just chance? Its not. You think its chance those patterns last enough to suck you into a betting method and then changes? You think this coincides with the casinos big push of baccarat worldwide? Its not chance. Before they cant win big profits now they can 16% + profits. Did i make that up too? No i got it from this forum from ellis.By the way online casinos still use hand shuffle and i won +16 this morning from nor s40 and it lasted the whole shoe. And i got +2 from mdb at the same time as there is al least 2 - 3 mdb bets in every shoe. Ct70 the switches do not make it easy for nor anymore but you can still win but you have to be smarter and 1 step ahead. I done the nor bootcamp and steve can still show you how to beat every shoe.I know I'll face heat from Ellis and his followers for this but...about the casinos controlling the shuffle in the shuffle machines from Ellis is complete nonsense I'm afraid. Just an excuse for losing. The casino does not have any control over the shuffle machine. It shuffles the cars randomly. If not, I better get my tin foil hat the next time I go to the casino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Hamster maybe your casinos shufflers cant put in predetermined order. Maybe they just shuffle. Not every casino is the same but that technology definitely exists and is not new. If you joined the forum you could learn how to pick the bias quickly and what system to use against it. Then if they keep doing the same thing which they usually do you can keep winningThanks for the feedback Brad.Are you building your way up the MDB challenge?Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted March 1, 2015 Users Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I am mate definitely - who wouldn't want to win $1 milBut slowly and surely - read and practice, read and practice, Then start small - that's where I am at right now.When are you gonna join?Thanks for the feedback Brad.Are you building your way up the MDB challenge?Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted March 1, 2015 Users Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I am mate definitely - who wouldn't want to win $1 milBut slowly and surely - read and practice, read and practice, Then start small - that's where I am at right now.When are you gonna join?He's not mate...He's playing games. Don't waste your time. If you stop feeding this troll...he might just go away (I wish) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users brad01 Posted March 1, 2015 Users Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 LolWhat are you trying to say oz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 LolWhat are you trying to say oz!I can take a joke...I have to admit that was a good shot!Hopefully soon BRad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigVic Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 He's not mate...He's playing games. Don't waste your time. If you stop feeding this troll...he might just go away (I wish)I like how you went away leaving many people wondering wtf happened ( I know what happened...you were full of crap with your claims)....unfortunately you came back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trbfla Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 oz....you are spot on but he never goes away....... Quote I yell "winner winner chicken dinner on all naturals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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