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You can fool some of the people some of the time...LOL...Some not so happy campers.

If any of you had thoughts of throwing your "hard earned" at CFC for the "Definitive...Ultimate System to end all systems"...Compulsory reading...


January 17, 2017 at 6:09 pm#4151



Yes im also asking whether MvD is included in the FINAL WORD?  Anybody, who could tell us how to obtain MvD?

January 18, 2017 at 2:29 am#4152

Ellis Davis


hvacjohn, you have already been contacted with instructions.

vortex888, you will be contacted shortly.

The Final Word and MvD are separate manuals..

I have also decided to introduce a third manual “Net Betting” since Las Vegas has left itself highly susceptible to this strategy.

General ordering instructions are now under Products at the top of the home page.

January 19, 2017 at 12:34 pm#4158




I thought that you had said that you would include Net Betting in the Final Word?

So now you’re saying to learn Net Betting will be a seperate Manual with additional cost? Why not have it all in one like you had said?

Wouldnt it make sense to finish the Final Word completely first before producing new manuals? Seeing as it’s long overdue?

Makes sense to me…




January 19, 2017 at 2:29 pm#4159

Ellis Davis


Right, I did say that 777 but the casinos are dealing Net Bet susceptible shoes right now, with their latest strategies. I’m thinking in terms of a mini manual like MVD that I can get out fast rather than further delay the Final Word Manual. Net Betting has nothing to do with ANOR. They should be separate manuals anyway.

I’ll work out a pricing arrangement with CFC that considers those who have already paid for The Final Word vs those who haven’t. 

The main thing is we need to strike while the iron is hot. Those casinos who have eliminated all NOR biases have left themselves wide open to Net Betting susceptibility.

I’m thinking that if we attack them with Net Betting we will drive them right back to NOR just in time for the Final Word Manual which features ANOR. Seriously...I'm offended that Ellis thinks anyone would be stupid enough to believe that last sentence

I need to do what I think is in the best interests of all members.

January 19, 2017 at 3:09 pm#4160


Hi everybody.This is message to anyone who can help with my situation.

So i am playing mostly online i and i am facing regular cards with changing biases(sometimes) and mostly NOR.That being said i started from BTC with NOR which i doubt is complete after everything i read in here, made some units but i find it very difficult to keep playing like that.

Then was MDB which to my cards was useless meaning 25units/100 shoes and even worse 3units/50shoes.I call that a failure with amount of time someone needs for 100shoes to the returns achieved.

And here we are again now.I do believe that Bac can be beaten but my experience so far is not good.I want to settle down to 1-2 systems/techniques and get down to work.So with the online cards what do you propose i should look into to play?And the hot questions 1)How does LNCB performs online?  2)How does the MVD performs online?

Right now i am based in Greece which has bad regulations in terms of gambling.Is there anyone give info about Baccarat in the UK?

Really looking forward to all the help i can get.Thanks in advance.

January 24, 2017 at 12:57 pm#4199




How much of the Final Word manual do you have finished? What is the TIME FRAME for when it will be FULLY COMPLETED AND RELEASED? It’s now been over a year and a half since I (and other people) have FULLY PAID FOR IT and STILL there is NO COMPLETED PRODUCT.


January 25, 2017 at 8:48 am#4200




My recommendation is that you should sequester yourself away and get the Final Word manual done and out to those who have paid for it.  That would get rid of your one big headache and negative in the marketplace right now. Don’t work on a net betting manual (which I believe is part of the Final Word anyway) – get the Final Word done – get customer praise for the Final Word, then others will buy your Final Word, rather than a little net betting manual. Get it done, get it out, meet your commitment, move on – get rid of this negative that is hanging around your neck.  Doing this will help you greatly in the short and the long-run.  Just my 2 cents.




If nothing else...this serves as a lesson in "How to totally trash oneself's reputation"...unbelievable...

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I was here when the split happened and I was confused as to what to do.

I was going to pay for the final word manual but I never did

The thing that stopped me was Keith's post.

I wish I could find it as I would re post it but the 2 parts that really got me was :


Decisions been made this is what we are doing take it or leave it. - That's what you want in a leader or an owner to take leadership and make decisions when they need to be made. Right or wrong they are made with confidence.

Everything about the game has already been discussed here - we don't need new methods or manuals etc we just need to use what we have to work out how to win. If you cant win with what we have here you never will - too true

The forum is no longer going to be based around one persons thoughts or opinions in which people are belittled for disagreeing - it will be a players forum of collective ideas.


I made my decision form that post and I know I made the right one


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Who knows if he will release it. It's unreal he keeps saying different things about what's going to be in it (Final Word) and then no posts for weeks. I understand he has health issues but get someone else to update the people that have already paid and are waiting?

Make Sense?

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