So you want to be a Professional Baccarat Player...

[ECD]

REALLY???

A Typical "DAY in The LIFE of OZ"...

 

2.30am...Out of bed...coffee and start researching past shoes. (many of my shoes have been replayed upwards of 10 times over the years as I seek to refine what I do)

5.30am... Breakfast...Coffee...Feed and walk dog (even while walking the dog, I will ring one of Baccarat Buddies if an idea has occurred to me overnight...YEAH...I even dream BACCARAT...DAMMIT) 

6.30am... Fit in an hour of research before getting the Missus her Breakfast...amuse myself by reading "The other Forum" in a vain hope that I may one day learn something...I won't hold my breath 

7.30am... Coffee again and spend a few hours SKYPING... going over shoes with other players as we all work together to improve each other's games. (We call ourselves "The Gang of Five")...LOL 

9.30am...Back exercises because constant sitting is not good.

10.00am...Revise more shoes ...Play a little Online...maybe Skype a Baccarat Buddy because I get bored.

1.00pm...Lunch and read news online

2.00pm... Back to research...playing old shoes

4.30pm...Stop what I'm doing...clean up all my mess before "She who must be obeyed" gets home...YEP...even Pro Baccarat Players have to do chores...and then it's "Time Out" for a bit of R & R ...talk to the Missus otherwise she gets shitty. Dinner of course...Feed and walk doggie

7.00pm...Try and fit in another hour or so of research 

8.30pm...I'm buggered...I never seem to achieve what I set out to do...planned on revising more shoes than I did...Oh well...tomorrow is another day...Shower and bed

 

11.00pm...DAMMIT...a thought just occurred to me...gotta get up and check it out while it's still fresh in my head (old people forget things...LOL) Anyway...that thought won't go away and will just go round and round in my head and I won't get back to sleep until I check it out.

That's pretty much it...The Life of a Professional Baccarat Player on his day off...Not so glamourous...eh?

I do it for my family...because that's what I do.

Oz

[ECD]

Not trying to discourage anyone...just being totally honest about what it takes.

If you want it bad enough...you can do it...but you have to REALLY want it...

[Sputnik]

I see you write about a day where you not play and are home with family. I reckon the thinking process is common among players, i can dream about something and not have the solution and two months later i can come up with the solution as i constant have a thinking process that involve many different things. It can be a dream or just testing new things with my favorit simulation software.

What i would like to read is about the psychological pressure being professional player in daily life. I assume you don't have any work and no salary each month from work, no secure steady income. So what happens if you hurt your self and have to go to hospital and have no health care insurance that workplace has for there workers. I understand that the company you work for pay for the health care  insurance in USA. In my country we have free health care.

How do some one put more money into the bankroll to insure for a bad week at the tables and take % for salary when playing as professional. I assume you can not just walk in to any casino and make 1K as easy peanuts, i assume you need to fight for it. So how do some one divide the income or winnings for bills, rent, food and bankroll (gambling).

And the last and maybe most important issue with psychological pressure - the pension - how do some one save money to grow old from 65 years and live a nice life relaxing and enjoy life and do some traveling with love ones. In my country the company you work for pay a fee to ensure you pension and the state stand for part of it, so when you are 65 you get one full salary to live on,  to pay bills, rent, food and enjoy life as a old without working any more. And this is not peanuts and can be around 1.5K a month, now assume you live from 65 to 95 then you have 30 years living on your pension. But my assumption is that you can not save for that by your self because it is to much money.

Cheers

[ECD]

If you are trying to compare Baccarat Play with a regular life with a regular wage and a regular pension, then you are beaten before you start. 

How much I earn is my business, but If I never walked inside a Casino again I would be comfortable for the rest of my days.

I only posted this so that people would understand that it isn't as easy as the "System sellers" make out. Sure, a very comfortable lifestyle is the carrot, but there is a price to pay and it's called "Hard Work" 

[Sputnik]

Well i just want to put things into perspective and there is clever solutions and dumb solutions to live comfortable lifestyle. I just feel you put things into a different category that is not as critical as other things when it comes to gambling, my personal opinion, i just see things different. Is not impressive to read about some one study the game and call it hard work, that is common sense and daily routine for many players.

Option 1 & 2

1) When you work you can get a cheap insurance from the state at some countrys wish guarantee that you as not an employee get 80% of salary from the insurance the first year and during the second year you get 66% for the rest of your life not working or not finding work. That is a income that is free from the government. There is one catch, you need to apply and search for work and present your action to the government and some times they randomly check that you apply for does Companys in real life. I assume rules and conditions is different depending on wish country we talk about.

So some one can use the government insurance and system for hes own advantage and live as a professional gambler with some guarantee of income. But you don't get pension points when you are not an employee, but in some countrys there is a minimum guarantee pension around 700$ wish pays for rent and electrical bill. I also here assume rules and condition is different depending on wish country we talk about. So the question here is if the winnings will compensate for the other half of the pension.

2) So why would some one pick option two when he can pick option one. Where option two is to take one year time off from work and keep the employee during one year. Then if you don't make it as gambler you can get back to your work as employee. But then you have invest and spending one year of income or savings plus your bankroll. You have to live on something during that year and if you don't make it you have the guarantee of employee at your company, that is pretty good insurance but very expensive. Because if you pick option one you could get a new work as employee after one year testing you wings as professional with some guarantee of income for very little effort.

 

 

[ECD]

I'll try to be gentle here...but you don't know what the hell you are talking about

My advice...stick to Church Bingo...with your mindset...it's about the limit of your capabilities.

[brad01]

Patrick,

I'm not sure but I think I am a little more gentle than Oz:

 

It appears you are looking at this from a different perspective;

 

Whether one could make it as a professional / full time player

vs

Oz already did that and has achieved it to arguably the highest level. He doesn't need to wonder if he could make it and whether he should hedge his bets with employment / super / pension

He is his own boss and covers all those expenses himself by playing.

I think the point of the post is to give people a snapshot of what its like in his world so people understand what it takes and the fact that its not so easy and glorified as people may think.

 

 

[ECD]

Didn't I already say that?...Maybe I should get you to edit and tone down my posts prior to posting...LOL.

All I am reading in his posts is "Defeatism" ...and if you look for excuses to fail...you have just guaranteed failure.   

 

You are on the money though...In some ways (a lot of ways) the life I lead is not all that it's cracked up to be. Money is no longer an issue, but I've never been one to enjoy the Casino lifestyle. For me it's all business...I keep to myself...don't socialise...I'm not there to make friends...Playing Baccarat is what I do best (and I'm damn good at it) but only because I eat, sleep and breathe the game. 

I recognise that it's not for everybody...and remember... The majority of people you meet in Casinos don't want to be your best friend...they want to know what you know and will curse you for not showing them how to win consistently. I couldn't possibly teach people what I do. Every hand has my poor old fried brain analysing all the likely variables before I make my bet. You have to do that if you are betting sizeable units. Ask yourself the question..."Can you ever see the day when you would lay down $5K on Banker simply because MvD says that this is what happened two events prior"?...To my way of thinking...that's a trip to the 5th Dimension of idiocy (You'll have plenty of company though...Carlos and Dean live their lives there) ...Sometimes, I just can't help myself...Bad Oz 

Edited April 1, 2017 by ECD

[brad01]

I'm starting to discover the more time I spend in the casino its such a lonely place

There's people all around you but the vast majority are hopeless gamblers and I have no interest to talk or socialise with them.

The glamour and excitement I used to enjoy is starting to fade.

 

[Sputnik]

6 hours ago, brad01 said:

Patrick,

I'm not sure but I think I am a little more gentle than Oz:

 

It appears you are looking at this from a different perspective;

 

Whether one could make it as a professional / full time player

vs

Oz already did that and has achieved it to arguably the highest level. He doesn't need to wonder if he could make it and whether he should hedge his bets with employment / super / pension

He is his own boss and covers all those expenses himself by playing.

I think the point of the post is to give people a snapshot of what its like in his world so people understand what it takes and the fact that its not so easy and glorified as people may think.

 

 

Brad01 i understand that OZ is a full time professional. But my point is exactly that for does who looking to become professionals, as you say above. Now it does not help to read about a day study the game wish not help and worst call it hard work. Everyone who has not reach the same level as OZ already do there daily study of the game and some times dream about the game and have constant  thinking process. Name it hard work when it is daily routine make it wrong and has very little to do what it takes to become a professional. It is common sense that everyone want to reach higher level of understanding and skills, so i can state all players do hard work to reach higher level or they will not make it, my opinion.

Lets do a reality check, most members at all gambling forum boards play during weekends and use money from there salary and dream about being professionals. But no one come up with realistic solution to make it happen. First they need to win or save money to a decent bankroll, then in real life they have to decide how to test there human mentality towards psychological pressure and different stress factors that they will be victim for when they try to live on gambling money with out a real salary as employee. There is no comfort zone.

Now everyone will not have unlimited funds as OZ has and need to make a plan how to deal with pension and health insurance among other things, need to explore the government option to make life more easy as professional gambler, at least at the beginning of the career.

So yes i put my respond into a different perspective with this topic, because i did not agree with OZ way to describe hard work and think members need a reality check. It is easy to state that the life as professional become fiction without some real perspective on tings that matters. What matters is not how you study the game in the kitchen, what matters is how you tackle the way to become professional and find real life solutions.

Cheers

Edited April 1, 2017 by Sputnik