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Hey Ellis, I am working with SAP Count as I work to learn the NOR approach and want to know if SAP count overrides standard decisions from NOR OTR rules? I.e. if we are in mode 3 and the LC is indicated in "2 column" and we just lost 2 opposite bets in S40 to a 2 in a row, SAP tells me to make my bet OTR after I make a third attempt to a third loss playing opposite? Is this correct? Gee, I hope I explained that correctly. Does SAP help us to know what mode to be in? Just trying to understand how these two indicators work together as rtge NOiR manual does not go into deth about SAP count. Thanks, CC

Hey Ellis, I think you should email the fella' an "updated, New & improved version" of NOR approach with botched up formulas and instructions. HA Ha! just kidding .... Then "he, the blind can lead the other blind suckers for not paying the rightfully party for the Real format" Just a thought but not realistic, just trying to throw a little humor about this mess. I paid fair and square with no regrets! Thanks for your great support Ellis

Ya this really sucks and is not right to the members here, but there sure to be one thing for certain, the support given here from Ellis is priceless and I'm sure the other idiots who have purchased it from the other websites are missing out and don't deserve what we have here. I consider ourselves as an "Elite Group" nothing but the beaters is and will be. Sorry to hear the trouble you need to go through to get this resolved

Was doing some Xmas shopping today and stopped by the casino to test the NOR system out. I purchased NOR Baccarat just over 2 weeks ago and studied over and managed to get great feedback and help from Ellis and others in the NOR forum to get on the fast rack way of learning how to play. I must admit that I'm still learning the fine points of NOR but was confident enough to put it to the test. I was pressed for time but still ventured to the casino, all tables were occupied and in mid shoe. I walked up to one table and immediately identified exactly what method of NOR to use and saw that it was ripe to strike. Bought in for 20 units at hand 43 and left at hand 63 with + 8 units in less than 25 mins of play. All this with a quick 55% PA !! Was winning and losing first few hands and the won 8 consecutive plays and looked like a star. The Asians started to follow me as I notice after I placed my next bet. I left the table looking like a Hit n Run player And gerously tipped the dealers 5% of my winnings seeing that I play at tables not taking commission for banker wins. If you're still thinking about buying NOR..... Stop thinking and just buy it!. ......and if you don't, you won't be getting any sympathy from me for having to suffer those lonely drives home with empty pockets from yet another losing night at the casino. This report is sincere and REAL and not influenced by BTC CC

Just to clarify ...... When playing S40 Mode 2 OTR play after first OTR series was played erlier If I win my first 3-unit OTR bet and lose my second 1- unit OTR bet in Mode 2, is my my next unit bet size rain at 1 unit or progress to 2 units for the next opposite side? Thanks Thanks

Thanks Keith part II cleared some things up for me. It makes a difference when Ellis walks through a shoe step by step

Yep I'm having a bit of trouble with OTB4L as well but will surely get it

In a certain case of this happening I suppose it is quite possible that this may happen upon a progression bet so we may actually be under 3 units but use the the unit count as signal to leave the shoe It is nice that the commission is not paid so I see it as an advantage as long as we keep away from dragon temptation. Your suggestion is good but must kept in control Thanks

Hi Keith, I would like to view the video as well. My YouTube I'd: CdnCharmer When setup my account to BTC I think I was very tired as I set it up as cdncham er would it be possible to change the spelling of my login of BTC from CdnChamer to CdnCharmer ? Thanks, look forward to view the video

The local casinos in my area here in Vancouver Canada have no commissions at most baccarat tables which is a bonus! The kickeris that the dragon betting can effect the payout on certain dragon bet wins where the winning side does not get paid out. When this happens with nor do we count this as equal to a tie? Or as is with zero bet? Or exclude it from the OR count. Etc... How should this be dealt with?

Most Asians are good people and they love the game, besides. My wife is from Hong Kong We were in Macau last year and I went into the biggest casino there I've never seen so many baccarat tables in my life!! I lost count after 40 wish I lived there

Well. They did embarrass themselves cuz the whole table roared with laughter when I told the security guy that he has been watching too many movies. Lol I kept my and contunued to play and they left me alone They Asians have often followed me in the past, in our local casino here, they call me "Moneytree'. The casino is my backyard to go get the money from the tree. I try to keep my identity anonymous as possible there other than Moneytree

Thanks for the help it definately cleared things up for me. As you know from our previous phone conversations I am a serious player and have a tendency to analyze this game to death. Although this is true once I am on the right track. The casino staff knows me all to well as an advantage player and have even approached me one time and accused me of card counting with baccarat.... Can you believe it? I told the security staff and pit boss that I was not doing anything of the kind and suggested to them that they are watching too many movies. Since then, I don't like the eye in the sky to see my card and often cover it up as much as possible to the extent of placing chips on top of it as well. Have any NOR players receive any heat with the system? The OR count helps as I see it and I was more focused in the paterns Thanks for clearing this up

Ty for your quick response to my question Ellis I think NOR is possible to program in computer simulation but would definetly be a difficult task. I have toyed with the idea but nor ready for the challenge yet, I am still having difficulty as to deciding what system to use on a shoe at the start. I do not see a clear definitive answer as what determines this other than a pattern at the beginning and not sure as to know when to wait for twelve hands played or does the twelvfth hand confirm you've chosen the correct system for that shoe Please clarify this for me, Thanks

Yes I agree with the +10 units with black I have a question regarding PA% advantage calculation. Pardon my question and I am still in the learning curve but perhaps I missed it in the manual how do you calculate PA advantage? Thanks

Hey guys & gals I've been following Ellis's systems for a few years and have great confidence in the NOR approach. Looks like a great way to play so now studying diligently so I can attack the casinos up here in Canada on the west coast. Look forward to reading interesting posts. See ya around!