Hi MVS Thanks for your help First off my orig. question was wrong, I asked "I see that in your sample shoe in post 13 on hands 61,62,63 that you stop betting after "111" that were 3 losses, would you always make this move in this case." It should have been on hands 51,52,53. The botton line is that I now understand what you are doing and how it works. But I don't understand why you bet on P in hand 63, were you not still OTB4L ??? Thanks Norm PS: never mind I got it !!!! I looked at it for the 20th time an saw the 3 in a row to put you on the run. I think I missed it the other 19 times because it went to the next col. Some day I will get the hang of this, I have been on this Forum abut 6 wk but did not play live at the casino yet, but getting close.