Norm A

The attached file contains 60 shoes that I played in Vegas at three different casinos, the week of May 6, 2013 for you to practice with. You should be able to print the scorecard. The scorecard has an OT count as that is what I use when I play (not OR count) there are four blank columns so that you could enter whatever count you want including the SAP count. All the shoes were played on a MIDI table, (touch) vs MINI (no touch) with pre shuffled cards. It is interesting to note that 20 shoes were obvious OTB shoes and 24 shoes were obvious F shoes, The remaining 16 shoes were about 50% OTB and 50% F (sometimes the first half of the shoe would be OTB and the second half be F or the other way around, and sometimes it will alternate throughout the shoe (witch is the worst situation you could have) Some of the shoes are only about 40 or fewer hands as I might have gotten out with my stop win or loss, or the best hooker in the casino was available at that time. Roulette was my first love and I played it for 30 years and did very well with it up to about 10 years ago when the casinos starting using the new type of wheel you see today and it got harder & harder to find a single “0†wheel with out a $100 to $500 min bet (as I will never play on a double“0†wheel). This changed the way I would play and win, (but that is a whole other story). That is when I started playing Bac. I also played 20 shoes or sessions on this trip of 40 to 80 spins for each session on Roulette (single “0â€) BTW I play the high/ low using the same method that I use with Bac. An extremely interesting observation was made and that is, the ratio of OTB, F and the 50% shoes were almost the same as with Bac. What makes this so interesting is that the Roulette wheel is probably the best RNG you could ever have. IMO this tells me that the pre shuffled cards are about as random as the Roulette wheel outcome. I have about 40 more Roulette shoes from past trips, as soon as I find some time I will compile them in the same format as theses 20 shoes to prove or disprove this theory further. I will post the 20 Roulette shoes as soon as I can. NormA 60 VEGAS SHOES 5:8:13.pdf

Go to this link it might help you understand some of the terms we use. http://www.atochome.com/atochome1/Acronyms.htm

Just thinking about it instead of having Keno girls running around selling Keno cards we could have Bac girls selling Bac cards ( just fill out an 80 hand card for B or P or T and check to see if you later)

What's next continues shuffle, no more 8 decks to a shoe, then we wont have to worry about pre shuffle shoes, or casino orchestration or red /blue cards or table selection, etc, etc. Holy shit Ellis what do we do now. LOL

That sounds like another rule he broke !!! DON'T PLAY WHEN YOU DRINK LOL

paul, in shoe 3 you only have 19 hands on the first line ??

Thanks Paul

Hi kingkong, I also don't get it. The attachment is the shoe on a score card, could you please let me know if I got correct kingkong shoe.pdf

Ellis, I must be missing something, could you please show me where there are 25 TT plays, I don't even see one TT (PP BB PP ) in this shoe or am I going crazy !!!! NormA

What is "some of banker paying half price" ????????

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/aug/30/baccarat-grows-popularity-so-does-cheating/

Talking about beer, ponder this one: Beer Logic DIALOGUE BETWEEN A LADY INTERVIEWER WITH A MALE BEER DRINKER: Lady Interviewer: Do you drink every day? Man: Yes. Lady Interviewer: How much a day? Man: Around 3 six-packs starting at noon. Lady Interviewer: How much does a 6-pack cost? Man: Roughly $10.00 at a deli. Lady Interviewer: And how long have you been drinking like that? Man: 15 years. Lady Interviewer: So with a six-pack costing $10.00, and you consuming 3 six-packs a day, you are spending roughly $900 each month. In one year, you would then be spending $10,800, correct? Man: Correct. Lady Interviewer: If in 1 year you spend $10,800 on beer, not accounting for inflation, 15 years puts your spending roughly $162,000; correct? Man: Correct. Lady Interviewer: Did it ever occur to you that if you did not drink for the last 15 years, you could have bought a Ferrari? Man: Do you drink? Lady Interviewer: No. Man: So where's your freakin' Ferrari?

Hi katchatz1 I agree with you 1000% , anyone could win a shoe playing it after the fact. Even if you cover up the next hand as you play the shoe at the kitchen table you are still influenced by seeing the shoe after the fact, and are tempted to peek at the next hand before you make a bet. PJ and I have done this a few times over the phone and it has proven to make a big difference in the outcome. There was one time he asked me to pick a shoe from my collection of shoes from my casino play. What I did was to use a shoe that he posted, I don't remember the scores bet he did very good on the shoe he posted. But when he played it over the phone one hand at a time he lost the shoe in a bad way. I think he is still pissed of at me for doing that. It just proves the point that you can't play a shoe after the fact. I think what you are proposing is a good idea, but I don't think it is doable for many reasons, one being that members are from all over the world and in different time zones. The other being that it is very time consuming, It would be hard to get even one other player to participate as most members have family and other things to attend to, to get together at the same time would difficult at best. BTW are you going to be in Vegas for the seminar ? NormA

Same to and yours. NormA

Problem is the smell gets to me.

What scores did you get with the different systems ? Thanks

Ellis,at one time you posted the difference between 123 prog and the 234 prog and how the 234 prog is much better. could you please post that as I can't find the old post. Thanks Norm

Started playing at noon, my friend and I were the only ones at the table. by 2pm the table started to get players and by 3pm the table was full and opened another table. I left at 3pm. Hope to be back next week. Now that the weather is getting better I could fly down more often, Nice small airport with good runways and good FBO NormA

I did good in Immokalee yesterday, played 3 shoes and left with a total of 39 units.

Here are some live shoes from Dublinbet casino for members to Practice with. (SHOES 153-164) P 211131224521141112223143131 B1112212111112122522122121126312 P331511137123721141111 P 351312132411422353111121 P 1312231211214411223211121113121 B 2113126112421123121411247 B 28131131411271112131122211111 B 1351312113112112224144313 P 143121821321221111313123 P 132136111115121122212121212 P 551323131431332131111121 P 21131121113132132121111211231411211

Yes they are very helpful I will be flying into Immokalee tomorrow Oct 12 around 10;00 am NormA

I would strongly advise you to go see the DR. that I told you about in Gainsville Fl be for you have any procedure done. This is all he does and is the best you could find. NormA

Hi Kostas Thanks for the shoe. It was a good shoe for me.

Thanks for the shoes AD NormA

Hi to all my friends and members. I have been out of the loop for some time now do to health problems. I sold my house in Vegas and moved back to Fl. I am trying to get back in the loop and up to speed. I am in need of some practice shoes form LIVE casino play ( NOT RNG SHOES ) If you could please post as many shoes as possible on this thread it would be very much appreciated. Other members would also have access to the shoes for practice. They could be posted in any form (on a score card or the short cut way) If possible please state what casino they were from. Thanks for your help NornA