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Hi RUEBEL If you look at the title for the universal Baccarat sub forum, you will see this "This is the members only forum for the Universal Baccarat System". Link to Glossary of Terms

Merry Christmas to all and to all many winning shoes for the new year.

pipecub You don't need any money whatsoever to learn, the worst thing you could do is play for real money in the casino or online until you learn. When you say 100k I assume you're saying $100,000 ? After you learn the game and how to play you don't need anywhere near this amount as your starting bankroll. Where are you from?

Sam Did you read the thread "Young Dave 43" by Ellis? If not you should do so. The martingale System is the very worst thing you could do, it is something you should really be scared of. What you described in your observation would have been a very good session to play if you know how to play properly, what you described is a perfect strong side situation (hi disparity) and there is a very specific way of playing this type of situation. Once again this is just one of the things you would learn in the private forum, also once again I have no financial interest in BTC nor do I get any compensation from them in any way. My strong advice to you would be to stay out of the casino and save the money that you would normally lose until you have enough join in the private forum. The one thing that I can guarantee you is that you will never be sorry if and when you do,it will illuminate all your confusion and there will no longer be a reason to be scared. Just so you know I was in your shoes at one time also. I wasn't born a natural roulette or baccarat player it takes many years to learn. I wish you luck and whatever your decision is I hope it works out for you, there is an old saying "you could lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"

I hope this helps answer some of your questions I am not trying to sell you or convince you to join the private forum I gain nothing from doing that I am only trying to point you in the right direction.

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Very good playing keep up the good work.

You're very welcome.

It has been brought to my attention that calling this a 2Hi progression might be confusing as it is not the same as the old original 2Hi or 3Hi progression. This is my modification an update to the original 2Hi progression. Therefore in the future I will refer to this as 2Hi+ in order to distinguish the difference.

Not necessarily I have seen bad shoes get good and I've seen good shoes get bad. There is no consistency to this.

I have got several PMs with questions on the 12,12 loop or 2Hi+ progression. In order to try an clear up some of the confusion I have change the wording as follows. For shoe start never make a 2 unit bet until you win a 1 Unit bet. After you win your first 1 unit bet, your next bet will be for 2 units then 1 unit, you keep betting 12121 whether you win or lose.EXCEPT, With the exception, when you lose two bets in a row (1,2 or 21) you start flat betting with 1 unit till you win, after that win you continue with the 1212 Prog. IF YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A ZZ RUN AND ARE WRONG FOOTED, START FLAT BETTING TILL THE ZZ RUN ENDS OR GO ON THE ZZ RUN. You never make a 3 unit bet. Never make a 2 unit bet if your score is -2 or more, flat bet till you get your score up to at least a 0 or -1. If you lose 3 bets in a row stop and wait till you have 1 or 2 paper wins or you see a good signal to start betting again. If you lose 2 bets after getting back in it is probably time to quit the shoe and find another one. I very seldom lose more then 4 or 5 units in a shoe, that is my stop loss. Note: if the shoe is exceptionally good and your score is high you could increase your Prog. to a 2323 Prog. (3Hi+) I hope this cleared up some the confusion.

Just as a side note you do not have to put everything about yourself as Keith did, I can understand why some people would not, but at least just to know where you are from would be nice.

It would also be nice if members would say where they are from in their profile.

I don't understand your point ,this is a live dealer game.

Good luck Mike ,I'll be in Biloxi Sunday Monday Tuesday

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Sorry Ellis with all due respect I can’t agree with you, in my opinion casino is not the enemy, no more than someone’s employer is the enemy. When I walk into a casino I don’t walk in with a chip on my shoulder with the attitude that I’m here to fight the enemy I walk in with a positive attitude saying okay how much are you guys going to give you today, then I start doing the job that I learned an practiced for many years, same as an employee would do for his employer. With all that said I know the day will come that the casino will be my enemy, and that day will be the day when I get barred, which I know is not for off. That will also be the day that I will share an publish my method of playing baccarat and roulette to the world and teach as many people as I can (FOR FREE) with the hope that they will take as much as they can from the bastards.

No need to, save your money just another crap shoot, stick with your system and wait for the right opportunity. I have said it a 1,000 times, "when in doubt wait it out" be patient. Don't try to reinvent the wheel.

The Grand Casino in Biloxi will not let you roll, when I go to the Grand I go with a friend he plays banker I play player and this is how we roll. We split the commissions. At one time the hard rock Casino in Florida would not let you roll but the last I heard, now they are letting you roll. It seems pretty dumb and stupid that casino would not let you roll when they can make money on commissions otherwise if no one else is at the table they are making nothing, go figure. As for shoe start in my opinion you need history before starting to bet regardless what system you are using. You are not going to get any good history that tells you anything in the first 4or5 hands, personally I don't start betting till about the 15th or 20th hand with some good strong history, (in most cases, there are some exceptions) even then if I don't get any good triggers or see something worth betting on I will continue wait. Take a look and review all your previous score cards, I think you will find that the majority of the time the losses are in the beginning of the shoe, starting to bet too early without some history is nothing but a crap shot.

Happy Thanksgiving to all Happy Thanksgivukkah to all

Sorry Glenn I can't help you with that as I don't use an OR count or any other count, except SAP when I play, so I don't have clue.

Glenn If you are near the end of the shoe and have a profit and the shoes starts to change QUIT. At that point don't be concerned as to what system to switch to. Take your profit and find another table or wait for a new shoe, there is no need to play till the end of the shoe.

bigcash When you get a lot TT it is like getting a shoe from heaven, even if there a few 3 now and then. I don't know what M2 or M3 is and yes OT is the only way to play a shoe like this. I use the 12,12, loop Prog. BTW some things are better said and asked and talked about in the private forum, if you get my reason and drift.

bigcash see my reply in the private section, in the NOR forum.

This is not new for some parts of the world, Singapore has had this for sometime now and Hong Kong also. You better be fast at keeping up your scorecard and making your decision because this is a timed fast game.