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Baccman, did you get 93% checking that ZZ,s and Streaks betting that after 3 IAR that it would go to 4 IAR or was this just betting on the Streak side of the shoe?????

Oz, I agree with a lot of your advice and I just wish I could play half as well as you. You have developed a style of playing and consistently winning with a simple approach of flat betting or using a 1-2 loop, I am just amazed at how you are able bet on the correct side of the shoe, from shoe to shoe. PLEASE, PLEASE continue to teach all of us at BTC, you have a very big following and a lot of eager players that would like to learn more about how you play and advice that can provide to help everyone become a winning player.

Brad, your profile indicates that you have been a member since July 2011, is that correct or incorrect????

Go4Broke, I feel your pain, I currently play NOR with very limited success due to the shoe constantly changing from S40 to Streak to OTB4L. There is no consistency at the casinos that I patronize regarding NOR, maybe 1 out of 10 or 15 shoes there may be some consistency playing NOR without switching between the different methods. I have had some success with MDB+ which you are betting fewer hands per shoe, using a 1-2-4 progression following 7 different triggers, however I have to travel several hours to get to a casino. If I win 10 units playing MDB+ I don't stop playing due to the traveling time required to get to the casino, then I have a losing 1-2-4 progression, now I am up only 3 units. I guess if I would be playing $100 to $1000 units it would be easier to stop playing after winning 10 units, that is the only complaint that I have regarding MDB+, however there is a lot of players on the forum that are having tremendous success playing NOR, MDB+ or different systems on the forum. I subscribed to the Premium Subscriptions service during the January signup period for the introductory price of $25 per month, looked over the different manuals and information and decided after 1 month that I will wait until they develop the Stats for Profits looking at different methods besides MDB+, Currently not a premium member, I joined the BTC forum in 2011 however I have not been a consistent winner since joining, currently retired and considering quitting playing baccarat, since I just cannot win on a consistent session to session timeframe.

Wolfat, are you playing the 3 event method with delayed triggers and winning 2-4 units per shoe??? Different way to play baccarat game for exploit opportunities. I have tried playing 3 event method just flat betting, win or lose and stopping after 1 win or loss of each trigger, but I seem to win or lose about 1 or 2 units per shoe, just not proving to be a winning way of playing at the type of shoes that I have seen at my local casinos in my surrounding area. Are you flat betting or using a negative progression???

Brad, I was looking at the 24 as a flat bet , however if using a 1 2 progression I completely follow your winning triggers under these conditions.

Brad, I am confused about the second 24 triggers (repeat) that you indicate is a winner, but the next hand switches sides resulting is a loss, am I following this trigger correctly?? I have been trying to follow and understand these triggers, please clarify those specific trigger in the shoe if I am not correct.

Zeek, what do you mean by chop the MC???????????? I understand about following the Least Common, but I am not sure about what you are saying about Chop the Most Common., please give me an example about what you are referencing about chop the MC.

Wendel, I would look @ a 3113 as 4 events since the two ones are switching from side to side or switching from player to banker. Brad please let everyone know about how to interpret these events and the number of events.

After following this forum since the Premium Membership has been put into service. I have noticed that there is not much activity on the Premium site. I will not be spending any money on a monthly membership from this site due to buying several different methods from the forum and I have not had any LONG TERM success following each of the several systems that were purchased over the past 4 and 1/2 year and coming to numerous LAS VEGAS seminars over time with this forum. I am extremely disappointed that I have not been able to win consistently with MDB+, I have had my lowest shoe or session losses with MDB+ but NO LONG TERM SUCCESS. I don't have the time or patience to tweak the triggers or rules on MDB+ or NOR or NOR+, since I purchased what I was led to believe, that these methods would win after I read and learned the methods and played according to the rules in these methods or systems of baccarat . I have also noticed that since Ellis was banned from the forum, there is less and less of interaction on different ways to dissect and play baccarat shoes. I was led to believe in the Sept 2015 MDB+ seminar in Las Vegas that Keith and Pompano Mike were considering bring Ellis back into the forum. This forum needs direction and at the present time this (forum) ship appears rudderless and drifting at sea. Good Luck with the Premium Membership.

I seem to always get ahead at the beginning of my session but before I quit for the day it seems that I will end up losing most of my units back to the casino. Currently playing MDB+ but I can't seem to grow my bankroll. Played during the LAS VEGAS summit, won the first 2 days there @ the GOLD COAST, Lost first trigger @ GOLD COAST on the third day, went across the street to PALMS won 2 units there and proceeded to played on the strip and won the other 5 units. Lost another trigger @ Palazzo and finished the day down 7 units. Quit after going down then even then down again. After arriving back in St. Louis went to play @ AMERISTAR casino and won 10 units over 2 and half shoe before losing a trigger for a grand total of 3 units. My point is that I have been having trouble winning and building my bankroll due to winning a few units only to have a losing trigger or 2 and fighting to get back to even. Mike

Brad, I have noticed that post #3 and post #8 the patterns are in a different order. Would you please let everyone know the posting # which you are using to determine your patterns????? I realize that you will posting a shoe in which you won on 14 different bets and lost 8 different bets. PLEASE, PLEASE posting the order of patterns that you are following, so everyone can follow when you are betting and WHY you are betting. Very impressive winning 6 units by FLAT BETTING. You have experimented OUTSIDE of the BOX with a new way to play baccarat with success that is very intriguing and unusual. Continued success and thanks you for teaching everyone on the FORUM another way to interpret the decisions at the baccarat tables.

Brad are you saying if there is a 3 IAR followed by a 2 IAR, that you would make a bet that there maybe another 3 IAR followed by a 2 IAR???? Similar to pattern #6 or 7 and ending after a 3 IAR, so you would bet the next 3 bets will be on the same side. Could you explain what you are talking about when describing about break point in the shoe, not sure if I have a understanding of topic.

Brad, would you be kind enough to give an explanation on 1-4, 3-3, 4-7 patterns. I don't understand these patterns or how you are betting. Are you betting after a example of 4-7 pattern, that there will be 4IAR and then 7IAR????

I would like to see (understand) how you are making your betting decisions with a baccarat shoe and explanation of why you made these bets.

Just finished making reservation for Las Vegas Baccarat summit, can't wait to meet everyone. Let the good times roll.

Don't forget to use TBL when the shoe is low in 2,s, I always look at the shoe that I am playing and do a SAP count and play what is happening over the last 4 events. This could be used instead of F as long as the shoe is low in 2,s.

Max could you explain what the numbers behind the casinos, are they the number of baccarat tables at these casinos?????

Keith and WAY2FAST if I read the triggers correctly, after 2 different ZZ of 4 bet, that the next ZZ of 3 stays @ 3 and does not go to a 4 ZZ. However on screencast, the way that you demonstrated you indicated that the 2 zigzags of 4ZZ or more is a trigger. According to the FULL WAY2FAST RULES posting #7, indicates that after 2 different zigzags of 4 ZZ without a 3 ZZ between this trigger stays a 3 ZZ. Example 5114 or 3114 Is this the correct way to play this trigger???? Has anyone played MDB+ successfully @ a casino that deals regular cards?????????????

The bottom part indicates that for every 4 hands there should be a 1 IAR, every 8 hands there should be a 2 IAR, every 16 hands there should be a 3 IAR all the way until you get to every 1024 shoes there should be a 15 IAR. This give you a approximate number as you play the game of baccarat. A 6 IAR happens about every 1 out of 2 shoes, an 11 IAR happens about every 64 shoes. I hope my explanation helps you understand the dynamics of baccarat. Nothing will happen exactly the way it is described on this card. Just general information to help you understand what should happen over an infinite number of baccarat shoes.

Is the revamped forum going to concentrate on Baccarat only? Or is the other Forum topics like horse racing, free stuff, roulette, poker room, blackjack or sports betting ETC, ETC going away? I am just interested in learning how to become a winning baccarat PLAYER, none of the other stuff I have no interest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McVINCE, could you please post 1 or 2 shoes showing your bets when playing TBL and waiting out the shoe until you place another bet on TBL????? I am currently playing similar to you by tracking the SAP count and playing what ever system the SAP dictates, only playing about 20-30 bets per shoe. Would like to see a shoe or 2 to see if this way of playing will possibly eliminate losing shoes and build confidence playing baccarat, I myself do not like to bet every hand because if I happen to be up 6 units and the next 3 betting opportunity, I hate to lose the 1,2,3 progression and end up back to 0 units. I play in St. Louis area and they have regular card, so I cannot play MDB+ for large units. I understand your logic. Everyone has their betting "Comfort Zones". My "Comfort Zone" is NOT betting every hand. I think MDB+ has proven with an extreme degree of certainty that if you strike when the moment is right, you will put yourself in the best possible position to win. I have been using the MDB+ logic and relayed it to this style of play. If you bet TB4L RIGHT AFTER AND ONLY AFTER a TB4L, you should be able to ride out the OTB4L storm. If it wins it wins. If it loses you ride out the other OTB4L storm until the next TB4L shows up. I have been experimenting betting EITHER TB4L AND OTB4L only with similar results. The reason I believe that the TB4L has a slight advantage is because in my two years experience playing Baccarat, I can only remember a handful of shoes that DID NOT contain an extended streak of ones or 3+. I also don't think this is a way of winning 20-30+ units like NOR. I think this could be a +5 theory just like MDB+. And used in conjunction with MDB+, it could bump up winnings. Again, something that I have been playing with live with success as well as past BTC shoes. Believe me, I am up for whatever critiques that can be thrown.

I would absolutely be a buyer of an all encompassing NOR manual with all of these additional topic is a must have for all baccarat players looking to improve there game and defeat any casino where you play. I am looking for any advantage that I can have prior to sitting down to any baccarat tables. Start writing this manual as I cannot wait to have this manual in my hands to read and absorb all of this additional information to make everyone a more confident player in there attack on my area of the Midwest.

Gil, you can find the attachment, which is a partial shoe under the thread MDB+ SAP questions

What is the code if I am a NOR and MDB member?????????????? Is it the same code, when I order the UNIVERSAL 2 HI???????????????