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FrontAl, would you please post some shoes with explanations of how you are placing your bets according to the rules? Pertaining to the shoes that you see this weekend @ the Hard Rock Casino in Tampa. Thanks and best of luck with this approach!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MVSeahog, could you point me to which thread on the forum (for OT+) so I could possibly follow your shoe and how you went about placing your bets on Chiefs shoe

Ellis, on several previous postings you have spoken that card counting is a myth created by the numerous card counting books and Hollywood movies. So why are you trying to promote something that you have said is a hoax and that you could not beat the casinos with card counting??????????????

Ask the casino personnel what type of cards are being dealt @ the baccarat table or games that you are playing. I have asked pit bosses and the dealers at the table if these card are regular cards or preshuffled cards, most of the time they will tell you.

Would it be possible for Keith or someone that is currently playing MDB+ to post several shoes with a play by play description of what they are betting on (2 IAR, 3 IAR or 4 IAR) and when they are staying OTR and why they are betting in this manner?????? This appears to be very promising, however need additional information with a shoe and description of there play by play.

My latest results playing MDB this past weekend, @ Horseshoe, New Albany, In, Hollywood @ Lawrenceburg,Indiana and Horseshoe @ Cincinnatti, Ohio Played Friday @ Horseshoe in Indiana and was +4, +5 units playing 2 shoes. Played Saturday night @ Hollywood in Lawrenceburg, Indiana and was -5 units after waiting about 1 hour to begin playing a shoe, only 1 table was open . Played Saturday night @ Horseshoe in Cincinnatti,Ohio -3 ,+4, and -5 units playing 3 shoes with only 2 tables open. Played Sunday back @ Horseshoe in New Albany, Indiana and was +2 units, 0 units,0 units, -4 units and +15 units playing 2 different tables. Played a total of 11 tables and won +13 units total for the weekend. All the tables were regular cards and I have yet to find preshuffled card @ the casinos that I have played @ in St.Louis ,Missouri, Cincinnatti, Ohio, Lawrenceburg, Indiana and New Albany, Indiana casinos. In closing I have been happy with my overall results, just wish my average wins per shoe were higher. I will think about attending the upcoming Las Vegas Crawl on August 9,2014 to see if I can improve my game playing MDBG.

It is my belief that the high profits generated from baccarat comes from the no commission games that allows players to bet on Panda, Dragon and Tie bets, which have a huge house advantage. A lot of player are swinging for the fences making these bets HOPING for the home run. I have talked with casino personnel and players at the tables and told these players that I personally DO NOT play these SUCKER bets due to the high house percentage. But to no ones surprise they still continue to make these bets and the casinos are smiling all the way to the casinos cage (Cash COW). I have started my betting on MDB by waiting for the events of SAP to dictate which system (S1, S2,3 or S4) I should be playing. I only start early in a shoe without events, if there is an early 4 IAR then and only then do I begin to play S4 and then switch to different systems as the events dictates. I follow the rules to the MDB exactly the way they are laid out in the rules thread that Ellis published. NO VARIATIONS. I will be playing at Horseshoe in Cincinnatti , Ohio and Hollywood in Lawrenceburg, Indiana over the weekend.

Looking for fellow NOR or MDB players in the Cincinnatti/Louisville area this weekend. I am going to Kentucky Motor speedway for the Nationwide race on Friday 6/27/2014 and the Sprint Cup race on Saturday night on 6/28/14. If you would like to play on Saturday or Sunday please send an E-mail and I will see if we can work something out. There is 5 different casinos within 1 hour of Sparta,Kentucky, the site of the Nascar races on Friday and Saturday.

Played in St.Louis this past Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. On Wednesday played @ Lumiere Place casino and lost the first 2 shoes @ -5 and -4 units, next 2 shoes won +4 and +5 units and shoe #5, I stopped @ even or 0 units. Could never get up overall and decided to quit for the day and try again on Thursday. Played Thursday @ River City casino with a fellow NOR player and won 9 out of 11 shoes. Shoe #1 +6 units Shoe #2 +4 units Shoe #3 +4 units Shoe #4 +4 units Shoe #5 +7 units Shoe #6 -6 units Shoe #7 +6 units Shoe #8 +5 units Shoe #9 +5 units Shoe #10 +5 units Shoe #11 -2 units Friday returned to River City and played 4 shoes, winning 3 out of 4 shoes Shoe #12 +4 units Shoe #13 +4 units Shoe #14 +5 units Shoe #15 -5 units For a grand total of +46 units, if my math is correct. Extremely please with how MDB performed. In closing I do have a couple of question I would like to have the answers for to verify that I have been playing correctly. Question #1 When I am playing S4 and I win a secondary progression OTR after the losing bet of 2 in a row, According to the rules on S4 it states that you continue OTR after the 3 in a row that the 3 goes to 4 while playing the S4 strategy. Is this correct? Question #2 If I have a winning bet on banker and it is a 3 card winning dragon on the banker which is a push. Do I count this as a winning bet and count this as a win For the +5 strategy?

I have just completed playing 10 shoes @ St. Louis, Missouri Lumiere and River City casino. The cards are regular cards not preshuffled. Won 7 shoes and lost 2 shoes. Won 5 units on 5 of the shoes, 2 units on 1 shoe, 1 unit on 1 shoe. Lost 5 units each on the 2 losing shoes. One shoe was up 4 units several times and then back to 1 or 2 units, ended shoe at 0 units for a push. I wait until I see 3 or 4 events, or if still unsure of what system to play I will wait. I had 1 shoe that went to +4 units 3 times and then I went back down to 0 units and quit @ this point. I stay OTR until I lose a bet, then switch back to primary progression betting. I am not quite comfortable start betting after the 1st event or after a 4 IAR, although I did see 1 shoe that started off with 9 banks IAR, in hindsight I realized that I could have won 5 units very quickly if I have started after a 4 IAR. I tend to pay attention to how the other players are winning or mostly losing @ the tables and continue to buy-in again and again. Perhaps I was just lucky on this trip, however the longer I played the more comfortable I felt playing the MDB system and winning baccarat. I have 1 question in closing, should I stop after the next losing bet if I continue to win 3 or 4 units in a shoe multiple times during the shoe, but can't seem to get to 5 units?

Ellis, would you be kind enough to play out a shoe with BaOTB4L, with the streak and ZZ runs and a play by play explanation? There has been a lot of talk on playing BaS40 and S40 M1, but very little talk or shoes, showing the correct bet placements play BaOTB4L.

I have been reading about the winning from the baccarat tables, but isn't most of these winnings coming from the no commission baccarat tables that offer bets on the ties, panda and dragon bets. The aisians slam these bets hoping for an immediate windfall, when in reality these are the worst bets in the casinos, boosting the baccarat table winnings.

Ellis, could you possibly explain what will be in the upcoming Million Dollar Baccarat Forum on line training? Will I have to be available for each on line training from April 23,2014 thru May 31, 2014?

Is the Million Dollar Webinar still going to be on April 21,2014, from 730PM to 900PM EST? Have not signed up at the present time, would like to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glenn, you will be able to find the NOR + thread on page 2 of the NOR forum. There is quite a bit of information regarding NOR +, 573 replies on this subject. Hope this helps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keith, Ellis I do not have access to the 4D Forum and I signed up for the Webinar on November 1st, 2013. S40 mode 1 new starting rules and OTB4L new starting rules pertaining to the 3rd bet rules. There was a brief discussion on 4D at the end of the Webinar, could you possibly grant me access to the 4D forum since I have already seen the Webinar on video. I have read that there is several people that has access to the 4D Forum and others that do not have access. Can someone explain this to me why I do not have access at this time?

I have previously purchased a variety of systems from Leonard Benson Company from craps, baccarat and blackjack. Nothing seems to work in a winning way on a consistent basis. Is his business shutdown now? Have not seen any circulars or mailings from Leonard Benson, and the telephone numbers has been disconnected. What has happened to Leonard Benson, is he in trouble with the Las Vegas officials, why is he out of the country?

I would like to attend the NOR/Pro Baccarat seminar that you are talking about having in Las Vegas in December. Just let me know so that I may use vacation time to attend seminar and become a more professional player and consistent winner playing this game.