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Hi Hotcooler! To answer your question, "I'm wondering, will the NOR manual be as detail as possible? And also, can I ask questions if I don't understand the manual enough?" Your answer is a resounding YES!!! That is what the NOR forum is for! There are no dumb questions, ask anything that comes to mind. We have all been right where you are, WELCOME!

EXCELLENT!! Loving the posts so far! And Kachatz1 has the idea that I was shooting for, squeezing every unit out of a shoe that we can! Here is an example of just one of those situations (one that I personally like). Here is the scenario. I am into a strong side shoe (P3121413...) and I notice that the Bank NEVER converts to a 2 iar. So when the next bank comes up (and I lose the first bet of my prog) I deceide to play a little PROG within a PROG. I make the 2 bet (lets say we are using 123) and I play an addtional unit on the same player bet. I keep track of this second prog separately. If it loses then the next time it occurs I follow my secondary prog and the original prog as well. Each time the 2 iar doesn't convert, I make an additional unit...and I could up this prog also. I know this is delving into events counting, but NOR IS all about letting the shoe tell us what to do. And the shoe is telling me the shoe doesnt like the 2 iar on the weak side. The best part of this, for me, is that since the shoe has established itself, I am playing the extra bets with the chips the Casino has already provided me. And I LOVE beating them with THEIR chips!! So, what if I lose...nothing ventured, nothing gained. ( Pulling a Harvey). And I may just make a memory! But, I will settle for a few extra units, always a winning proposition. Anybody else wanna chime in on this type experience, or others that we can discuss?

With the recent discussions on NOR+, I was thinking we need a thread that discusses the various betting progressions in our arsenal. Hoping we could discuss Pros (like the fourth bet in the 123 4) as well as Cons (like the wide swings of progs like U1D2) of each prog. (don't get me wrong, I LOVE U1D2). Also, personal likes/dislikes i.e. I hate to start a prog anywhere near the end of a shoe. Also, hoping to discuss which types of shoes are best suited for each prog, when is a 112 a good prog, when is a 0 bet the best move, lost prog recovery, etc. Basically a thread on ALL things PROG! Hoping to gleen knowledge from various viewpoints. Chris

Would like to send flowers if possible. Any location info? (Tough time of the year to be in hospital)

Monte, I too would be interested in a recording of the webinar. I know that the gotomeeting platform does allow the host to record the session. What do you think, Keith?

Actually I meant there is a typo (one says hit 13 or more and the other says hit 13 or less). But your answer makes me wonder, Are you saying we should be using Tripoint?

I have had NBJ for the better part of a year and never noticed that the PIT chart on page 58 and the PIT chart on page 67 dont agree on the weak dealer low credibility decision.

Such a tease, Chaz ..do tell!

Good luck with that. Be sure to come back and let us know how you did, and we will tell you exactly what E. Clifton Davis just said. We WIN here!

Sounds like a great arguement AGAINST casino use of pre-shuffled cards, all the better for us I say. Makes NOR better! And any casino that doesn't honor payouts doesn't deserve our business....

Thanks, Ellis...now how do I request my copy and how do I get logged into the private forum?

Two questions. Is the forum for those of us who have purchased the seminar, or for the hard copy purchasers only? Also, is the manual now available to seminar attendees, or will we receive it in Vegas? Thanx!

Good call, MVS. Very diplomatic...

You may want to bust him in the chops, but I want access to his library! ;-)

Ellis is spot on, the review is always welcomed! Dave, seeing you work through your difficulties helps the rest of us see this shoe from a different view. Thanks for posting and remember, Ellis says there are no stupid questions...and no one is left behind! Welcome!

Where can we send cards, flowers and well wishes?

Just noticed that course myself, kind of curious...

Great suggestion, Don!

As are we! The video posted of a younger Ellis got me primed for a more indepth study of BJ. Cant wait!

Webinars are cheaper for all, and less taxing on our instructor ...but I had great fun at AC!

I'm up for a seminar, and I too want to join the forum....have all three BJ books as well

The post on Kiddo and some recent thoughts of my own have prompted a new question. How does one set their unit size? At first blush, that seems to be an easy question but it entails some complex concepts. Is there a way of determining one's comfort level without sacrificing opportunity? When have we left the realm of professional play and entered the world of "gambling"? Am I playing for the "thrill" alone or am I enjoying "beating the casino"? How does one stay disciplined? I am hoping to pick the brains of some of the more senior players on this one....

One thing I like about Jerry's method is I can scan the OR column and see either a strong side or neutral OR count at a glance...

I see what he is doing, the col. to the right is the result of the col. on the left.(opposite vs. repeat) HE is playing the results i.e. Opposite vs. Repeat.