bluetri

I agree, Sakana. It is very helpful to use as a training tool. Also, GG, I would ONLY use live dealer sites for this practice. RNG is not what you will face in the casino and I feel it best to practice "real world" conditions whenever posible. I use Black Orchid as a practice tool, myself. Also, I do have a real money account with Betphoenix.

Of course, you wouldn't see it that way. My point is NOR is the intellectual property of another. The members here can help you once you become a member, but we have no right to give away another's property. If Ellis or Keith choose to do so that is their business because it is theirs to give. Use some of the money you are saving NOT playing your system and join us.

So, your posts are an attempt to get the members to teach you, FOR FREE, what they have paid money to learn? Am I correct in that assessment?

The answers to all your questions and more are in the private NOR forum. And once you sign up, many more members will be glad to help

Saw a dream shoe last night of course all the tables were full..... P51618161715281617 Yeah, an S40M1 Dream!

Johnny, the BaS40 and S40M1 have been covered very well in the other $1,000,000 threads. It's the tweaks to the BA OTB4L that I am waiting for....

That is because TB4L is not a NOR system. The three systems you should concentrate on are in your manual. Anything else, like 4D, NOR+ ,etc. will only serve to confuse you. Get the basics down FIRST. But, to answer your question, TB4L is a streak system which repeats the win two plays back. (It's culprit is 2iars, loses to 2 in a rows)

Thanks moneybac, but it still looks as tho' RUEBEL still has an axe to grind with his prejudice remarks about the Canadian members of the forum. And... Just for the record... We Canadians "Do pay" for our medical but it is true that it is at a fractional cost of what most Americans pay. Our medical is paid via taxes and reasonable premiums paid by all. The only exception is that those who are on welfare are given a free ride. The quality of our medical is extremely good, but the downside is the wait time for certain treatments as a result of waiting lists. I have an American friend that pays over $1000/month for his medical coverage whereas my personal medical coverage in Canada is $64/month. A far cry from what he pays. I even have extended medical that costs me approx $100/month. As our regular medical coverage does not include all medical expenses. And RUEBEL wants to speak about credibility?, perhaps he should get his facts straight before opening his mouth with incorrect information. FACT: the Hoover dam was completed under budget and ahead of schedule as the result of being lead by a Canadian who was paid a $300,000 bonus at the time. I would bet that most Americans don't realize how often our two nations help each other out so often. We are great nations side by side together and I know that Americans are proud of their country and who they are, and I am too... Proud to be a Canadian and not even RUEBEL can take that away from me. 4D is only as complicated as you make it, actually it's very simple and I have plenty of time to write my card as per while in live-play. Please people, think outside of the box and you too can find a path to beating pre-shuffled cards. FACT: pre-shuffled cards do have a bias, the difference is that it is of a shorter duration than what you see with regular cards. For most, it looks as tho there is no bias at all, but 4D will prove that wrong because 4D exposes the bias whereas NOR won't. I use the 4D method day-in day-out, and accumulate 5 or 6 units on a regular basis. I have also tested so many shoes from the forum that members have trouble with and 4D beats them all. aLL! Pre-shuffled shoes are different, but are manageable and I plan to play my method on my trip to Macau in November with confidence. 4D Lives on. CC Great post, CC

Agreed! I understand that BaOTB4L is basically the same as BaS40 but with a OTB4L as the base instead of opposites, what I am waiting for is the tweeks that Ellis said were coming. S4d - What to do About Runs Post #44 says... Yes, several are asking me to do this already. Right, It is OTB4L with the secodary prog applied to both ST and ZZ runs. But unlike BaS40 which should only be played in shoes favoring a + OR count and therefore always bet the seconday prog Against straight runs. BaOTB4L, like always, deals with BOTH ST and ZZ runs. AND it deals with BOTH + and - OR counts. So it is significantly more complex than BaS40. Jim, YOU would already know how to do this but I'll show you some tricks that help simplify it.

Glenn, from my notes, it looks like we have a great start on BaS40 and BaS40M1. So Ba OTB4L should get the ball rolling. Unless, I missed something.

I second that, Al!

So just ask Keith to send a download link. No need to repurchase

Just curious as to what that statement actually means, since you show up as a Junior member and not a NOR player

Point of clarification, will registration include access to the new Million Dollar forum and a future manual? And will it be recorded?

The boot camp manual is for sale still, I am sure

Members, you will benefit only after all posts like these stop. All posts from anyone who either does not "see the points" or More probably sees them but has their agenda. And i offered my only olive branch. This time there needs to be real change in the discussion. Or everyone but myself loses out. WOW! Really?!

I remember that the meatballs at Carmine's were the size of baseballs and Ellis and I split the plate and couldn't finish them. ( and Keith bought lunch)....but what does that have to do with Baccarat? I am losing you, Dave. ...where are you heading? And why not return my messages?

And I, for one, would be happy to see him rejoin our discussion!

I agree, and that was a great explanation of the philosophy of the approach

Could be sometimes blutri, but I've got actual shoes that prove otherwise. Again, NOT ALWAYS, but I have enough of them where betting the highest count reverses (or goes towards 0) per row for the next hand has worked like a charm. Can anyone explain why? I guess we are looking at two different things, Quiz. You are looking at one bet and I am looking at overall direction. Maybe it will go towards zero for one bet, but the direction is more important to me. Just headed to five....not to hard to get there

If your highest count goes down from three and still remains the highest count, then it appears to be a pretty tight shoe and net betting would be a successful option.

My take on it is IF that count IS the highest it will go up from there. Otherwise, another count will overtake it. Trying to get in on the high count run as it runs up. It may just be the high count at that point, not for the overall shoe

Thanks, brother

I have the PBJ manual and didn't know any video existed. I too would like a copy if it would be possible