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I think they are not asking for hundreds of shoes.. maybe just 1 or 2 shoes to start with.. would that be too much to ask?

Hi Oz, Perhaps this other member of BTC can post some of his shoes for us to study? Or perhaps he can also help to explain?

I'll Bite, Links to the 2 threads http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5810&p=20396#post20396 http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5809&page=2&p=20395#post20395

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Thanks for the swift reply some more questions .. 1. OTR part - Do we do as per NOR and play OTR two times for mode 2 and OTR once for mode 3? or just OTR all the way? 2. Mode fail part - When the Mode fail, do we switch as per NOR or just stick to the same mode for the whole Shoe? 3. When the "bets" are even but falls on different sides, for example , lets says S40 says bet 1 unit on player, and F says bet 1 unit on banker and OTB4L says bet 2 units on banker. Do we Skip? or Choose Banker, since there are "2 votes" for it? 4. just remember one question.. for the progression 1u2d we play all the way no cap right? ie. the bets can go to 10 or 15 units right? thats all I can think of now Thanks for quick reply again!

Interesting.. but which mode to start for each system? I assume use S40 Mode 2, OTB4L Mode 3 & F Mode 3? And Yes, please start the NOR3 thread

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Hi, can you show us an example?

Looks cool Keep up the good work!

Ok, I think I got it. So Even If we win the OTR bet (4th Bet) with a 4 unit bet, we still switch to Mode 2 and continue from there right?

Ok.. So lets say we are in mode 3 at the moment, and we just lost the 3rd Bet , We still proceed with the 4th Bet (4 Units)? or After the the 4th Bet we switch to Mode 2?

Oops.. I'm a bit confused now.. how does one stay in Mode 3 then? since in Mode 3, there's gonna be a 4th Bet.. so 3rd Bet will always lose in mode 3? Sorry, quite confused atm

Hi, I've been thinking about it for a while, did anyone ever try using NOR on a roulette table? We have 3 EC bets on a roulette table, and maybe if 2 out of the 3 are very bias towards NOR, can't we just cross reference and bet the inside numbers that are leaning strongly towards any of the NOR systems? For example if colors looks like a S40 run and High Low looks like a F.. we just pick the 9 inside numbers that "cross" .. this way if we just flat bet, with a higher hit rate we should still do good right? Of course in roulette we only need to worry about the Zero(s).. but if the hit rate is high enough, we can write it off I guess, or protect it with a single unit chip... Any thoughts ?

Hi, can you show an example?

Agreed, that's why my first purpose was to figure out all the weakness of the 3 systems, so If I spot the weakness coming, I would either exit or change plans or stop betting. I had a similar story about my friend, He won 30k on the first day.. no idea what system he using, prolly no system.. on the 2nd day, he lost everything and then some more, he busted all his credit cards too... Greed kills.

Aye, agreed. Upon closer examination, perhaps at best I could be used as an indicator to exit the shoe, but then my score will also tell me exit when I am up and not try to chase any fantasy.. Cheers!

I've been thinking, I could be wrong due to my lack of experience. But hear me out. Think most of us struggles with this, when things are not going well, do I switch system now? I thought of an idea, not sure if someone thought of it before. We do OR count from the beginning of the shoe right? perhaps we can have another OR count just beside it for comparison. I call it the OR5 count, it is the difference between Current OR count vesus 5 hands ago (I'm using 5 just as an example, it could be any number) For example at hand 20, the OR count is 5, we look back and compare it with hand 16 the OR count is 3. So the OR5 count is (hand 20) 5 minus (hand 16) 3 = 2 Ok, what does this means , to me it means that the shoe is still heading the same direction (both are +ve OR count), if I am using S40 I should be safe. Another example, at hand 60, the OR count is 13, at hand 56 the OR count is also 13. So the OR5 count is (hand 60) 13 minus (hand 56) 13 = 0 Ok, to me this is a warning. S40 likes +ve OR count , our OR5 is 0 , something is not right? maybe we should bail with the profit at hand since OR is 13, we should be making some profit with S40. Ok.. not sure if its actually a useful indicator, perhaps someone can comment? Cheers, Andy ps. I just realized, for this to work, the initial OR count must be accurate, I just went thru my exercise and spotted mistakes and it created chaos.

aye.. I will be careful

Hehe, thanks.. Looks like its gonna be my favorite weapon of choice soon

Ok, I think I understand now. So can I say that for F system and only F system, there is only 1 OTR Bet for mode 2? Meaning we are not doing 2 OTR Bets like S40 Mode 2. (Think this is the part that I am a little confused) In F (Mode 2 or 3), if we win the OTR bet, we continue on the new side. If we Lose the OTR Bet, we switch right back and continue on as usual waiting for the next 2 or 3 depending on which mode got switched as well.

One more question about F modes, in particular Mode 2. Can I say that basically F only has ONE OTR bet for either mode? If that OTR bet won (When we switch sides), and we continue our bets now on the NEW side (regardless of modes), our progression starts from the bet right after the OTR bet? for example now I am in mode 2, the following is happening Prior to this, Player was the Strong Side.. Bet Player: 1 unit - Lost Bet Player: 2 unit - Lost (okay lost 2 bets, time to switch sides - since in mode 2) Bet Banker: 3 units - Won (Continue betting on Banker) Bet Banker: 1 unit <-- My question is this , does this BET still counts as a Mode 2 OTR bet , or does it count as a normal SS (Strong Side) Bet? I am asking because I realize it could mess up my count if I understand it wrongly. Hope I didn't make it more confusing...

I'm asking more questions on F, because I noticed that F surprises me! so far in my exercise, it holds up really well, even against shoes that have very high +OR count.. whereas OBT4L and even S40 struggles, maybe the shoes I am playing so far likes F alot.. (I need to clone myself so one copy of me can just test shoes whole day while the other one works)

*cough* I still learning.. so much to learn.. When you say F2, you mean F mode 2?

Hi All, I know the weakness of S40 is Straight Runs, for OBT4L is ZZ and Straight Runs, What does exactly does F hates? Cheers, Andy

Just to clarify too.. from the Manual , somewhere in the "Review of OTR betting in general", Quote.. "With S40, our rule is to attempt a second OTR bet when we are in Mode 2 because we got on the run so early. BUT, if that second OTR bet fails, next time we only stay OTR for ONE bet. In other words you are always letting the shoe tell you what to do." So with reference to CdnChamer's question ( http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6637&p=30175#post30175 ) , when his S40 lose his second 1 unit OTR bet in Mode 2.. The Mode now still remains at Mode 2 but we only place ONE OTR bet instead of Two times when the next Mode 2 Situation pops again? This is not considered Mode 2 failing right? which would call for a switch to Mode 3.. Hope I didn't sound too confusing