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Awesome communication, information, help, support from two great guys.

at the end of the shoe, a one unit win ALWAYS beats a 1 unit loss

lose......but don't lose the lesson.........

It could not be said any better than what Oz shared.

No doubt it was a worthwhile trip for everyone. Good to be back in Florida, with my sweetheart who moved to Florida with me. Moving her was a lot of work and stress, but she is worth it. While in Waukesha Wisconsin, I played twice a week at the Potawatomi casino in Milwaukee. Had good success, with consistent winning shoes. Each shoe took at least 2 hours, so I played 2 shoes for each time I went. I hated to miss the Vegas trip, but we all do what we think we should. Gotta say, the hospitality and generosity of Kevin was an awesome thing to do, and I am sure everyone enjoyed it. So I am back, and ready to dig in again with the best of the best here at BTC.

Lou30, cashout, felix.....hope you and your loved ones had a great Christmas

Merry Christmas way2fast and to your loved ones also. Merry Christmas to you also wolfat. Peace and happiness for you my friend always.

Whenever someone says.....watch this without tears.....that special something perks up inside me.....and I know the tears are only a moment away. Thank you Oz, for sharing your heart. Just so you know....you have never fooled me or anyone else....regarding the greatness of your heart that you have. Merry Christmas to you....and all of your loved ones.

Thanks Pando....neither of us want a big ceremony and who knows, it could be at a National BTC meet. Might be a good reason the night before, to have a bachelor party of a EPIC "The Hangover" variety. lol

Really? "my students"...."past the million dollar mark"......"nothing special about those guys"....Really? The only thing that isn't special about that, is the self-serving ego that uses people and then throws them away like a waded up piece of paper into the garbage can, when it is no longer "all about me."

2016 started off great, and then some personal issues of storm damage, auto problems, and then the last part of the year, a huge unexpected surprise. After 19 years of being single, out of no where, met a lady that I had dated in college 46 years ago, and it was like we picked up right where we left off. Happy to say we are making plans to be together permanently. 2017 will be a great year, with more time devoted to winning baccarat, and meeting in person with my brothers here at BTC. I'm all in, and truly grateful to everyone here. You are the best of the very best, and don't ever allow yourself to think that you aren't. Stay humble and carry a big mother-f-ing stick !

The game changer for me since I have been back here is......"short term setups".

To the new ones, friends made and those I consider more than mere friends. The first time you make a deposit and a "error" is made online...don't even think about making another deposit. The first time you request to make a withdrawal, and it isn't done exactly the way it is supposed to be...do NOT accept there was a "error".

Kevin, thank you for your kindness of compliments. Genuinely appreciated especially from a highly esteemed member here of BTC that you are. I compiled and used it for the last 10 years, before I knew there was a description for it as 5D. When I first got back on here, I immediately was intrigued by the 5D here and the 5D you created. So, I thought to share what I compiled and named it "5D Another Perspective" to keep it in the 5D family. I agree with you in that it can be charted with pen and paper and each decision done in 5-7 seconds with a lot of practice. It demands a very high level of focus, attention, along with the ability to read the data and clearly see what the shoe is and isn't doing. Again I must say I truly understand it isn't for everybody, as everyone has their own personal preferences in what they are comfortable and proficient in. I love being a member here....to share and also learn with some of the best baccarat minds found anywhere. You and so many others here.....are truly the best of the very best. thank you Kevin, you really made my day even better, Rick

You are kindly welcome my friend.

2 ways, if you want to upload instructional documents to the "downloads section" click on the downloads section, and there will be a tab name "Submit a file". Click on it, and then select from the drop down box.......member submission. It will then ask you what file you want to share.....and that is where you locate the file on your computer to click on and then submit it. 2nd way, when you go to make a post in forums, in the left corner of the page.......click choose files, from where the files are on your computer, click on the file and it will add it. Hope this might help. Drag files here to attach, or choose files... Max total size 10MB

Great post Pando.....you are really progressing in your observation skills of reading the shoe.

Looking forward to what you have to share.....and hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Congratulations way2fast on your best year yet in 2016. Thank you also for your contributions, and inspiration that you give to all us here.

Thanksgiving is a time of reflection to give emphasis in being grateful. I am grateful to be here, sharing and learning from some really good people that are life time students and genuinely working to improve their skills, no matter what skill level they have. Thank you always to everyone for who and how you are, and in how you approach, view, and play baccarat. Looking forward to the 1st of the New Year.....to have the time to make it a "break out" year, and meet up with other BTC members to do exactly what way2fast described.

Good stuff Keith.

XDotNet......I used 4 things. 1. Strong Side 2. What I refer to as "Walls" when players or bankers are connected with no 1's between them, and there must be a 3 in a row on one side and a 2 in row on the other side for it to be considered the beginning of a possible continuation of a "Wall". 3. Sporadic....meaning one side of a column must have a 3 in a row, a 1 on the opposite side and then a 2 in a row on the 3 in a row side, to be considered the start of a possible continuation of a Sporadic. 4. S40 with M1, M2, and M3, accordingly when a column is never going more than a 3 in a row. When a column is consistently running high in 1's, 2's, and no more than 3's. I flat bet a lot.....and never use any progression more than a 1,2.....in a negative progression and also in a positive progression, but that is just how I am "wired" mentally and emotionally. It is important for you to honestly know how you are "wired". Honestly.....Everyone is different in their preferred strategies, money management, betting progressions, etc, and that is where no one can do it for you, and you have to do it for yourself, and it takes time, dedication and hard hard hard work. There aren't any short cuts and no easy way. Imagine charting a shoe with just pen and paper using this version of 5D, and then being able to know what and where to place your next bet to win at casino speed. I fully understand with all my heart why some have absolutely no interest in a 4 let alone a 5D. It is dam hard to do, very hard to do. You can shorten the spread sheet and use P/B, O/R, and OTB/TBL. I honestly suggest start out with just PB. Then add OR, then OTB/TBL, etc etc. Learn what each column does because of what Player and Banker is doing and isn't doing. This is by no means a easy way to play if you don't understand every aspect of each column. I taught this to a lady friend who didn't even know what baccarat was and didn't even know how to spell it. It took 6 years for her to learn it and become successful using it. She is now on her own and winning every single week of the year. It was a huge amount of work on my part and her part. So is it worth it? To answer your question as to how to play M1/M2 and O/E....exactly the same way in the 4 things I mentioned. And still...if there is a strategy that you like....test it out on any column accordingly. Are you looking for the highest bias? Are you looking for a neutral bias? Accordingly always to what the shoe is doing and isn't doing. It won't cost you a penny to enter it into the spread sheet and see how it does. No matter what you use, I strongly suggest you do a minimum of 100 shoes. 5 to 15 shoes will only give you a limited viewpoint, and the more shoes you do, the more clearly you will be able to identify what you should and should not use, as well as when and when not. Practice in a QUALITY manner, of observing, learning, seeing and understanding, not in a manner of just entering data to see the numbered results, as you won't learn a thing when you do that.

Good eye Pando and that is exactly why I compiled it. You will also see some shoes in certain columns, depending on the shoe, that get into the + or - high teens and a few 20 and more. You just never know which column will take off like that, and still I have no doubt with your skill that you will easily see it. You are kindly welcome, and it is a joy and privilege for me to finally have the time to share this with you and everyone else here, as another tool for the best baccarat tool box in the world, composed of the best baccarat players found anywhere.

Thank you wolfat for sharing this "perspective" of how you created and use this Sap chart. In my humble viewpoint, it is easier to see the flow of the shoe and helps to clearly see what the shoe is doing and isn't doing.

In closing this. If you are interested and want to take the time to do so, I can assure you it is an interesting study. You will notice aspects like that OTB4L and EVEN are very closely related. The difference being when EVEN ends on one side and goes to the opposite side, you have two evens in a row, and a possible development of EVENS continuing to begin a run of EVENS. You will notice that OPPOSITES and ODD are very closely related. And you will also see when ODD continues for a possible development ODDS continuing to begin a run of ODDS. You will also notice....when Player and Banker have large runs.....M1/M2 and O/E will have a lot of 1's and 2's and run close to neutral. You will also notice when Player and Banker is running "small" like 1's 2's etc......M1/M2 and O/E will be running "large" in numbers. The rest that you will notice....is the hard work, and study it takes....whether it is this....or any other means of charting, observing, reading the shoe, etc. So, thank you for allowing me to share this with you. No disclaimer needed......as there isn't any "holy grail" out there....and this certainly isn't either.