[Recommendation] Any good online casino for baccarat?

[killthehouse]

Hey guys,

Any online casino to recommend for baccarat?

I noticed alot of you guys are playing over at betphoenix, so i went searching around and found this.

http://www.bookiesforum.com/bet_phoenix.asp

So please be careful ya all~

Regards,

kill

P.S. misposted my first post into public forum, wanted to post here in private forum actually.

[MVSeahog]

Yep, I've been getting a lot of calls from them lately to get me to get my account loaded (with big bonuses too) for the upcoming March Madness thing.

I think I'll pass.

MVS

[wolfat]

Hi KTH,

I play at Black Orchid and Dublin Bet, no problems with withdrawal.

andrea

[Mreteuya]

Hi KTH,

I play at Black Orchid and Dublin Bet, no problems with withdrawal.

andrea

but do either of them accept united states players?

[wolfat]

I don't know yet, but you can go to this site:

www.livedealer.org

it's a review of live play casino.

andrea

[killthehouse]

Thanks for the link Andrea, having a tough time picking a site now. Most probably ladbrokes or bet365 maybe?

I really like the red layout of betphoenix tables but too bad many other forums were warning about them.

Regards,

kill

[killthehouse]

Hey all,

I just created an account on ladbrokes for their live baccarat.

Their big road (tote board) is one of the worst i've seen. It only updates when you're playing for that hand, if you were to sit out for 5 hands then the big road will only record the 6th hand that you wagered.

Well at least I only did the minimal deposit.

Any sites with good tote boards to recommend perhaps?

Regards,

kill

[Guest NBAProCapper]

Kill i wrote a repsponce for you in the public forum you can check it out.

[John12345]

It is 12:30 am overhere. I logged onto betphoenix at around 12:05am to play some baccarat for real money. Everytime I clicked on the table I would get a message that said that I was not being conntected to the table. So i finally contacted live support. I asked the agent if I can do anything and the agent told me to wait 30 minutes because the dealers are in the middle of a shift change. I have never seen a shift change when I have played on BP and I have played at 12am,1am all of the way to 5am. The weird thing is that I could see that the live video feeds were running, so someone as dealing the cards. this got me thinking..what if BP pre-records all of the shoes and plays them throughout the day. This would give them an advantage, they could edit the videos, and alter the cards. anyone know if this is possible?

[Mreteuya]

It is 12:30 am overhere. I logged onto betphoenix at around 12:05am to play some baccarat for real money. Everytime I clicked on the table I would get a message that said that I was not being conntected to the table. So i finally contacted live support. I asked the agent if I can do anything and the agent told me to wait 30 minutes because the dealers are in the middle of a shift change. I have never seen a shift change when I have played on BP and I have played at 12am,1am all of the way to 5am. The weird thing is that I could see that the live video feeds were running, so someone as dealing the cards. this got me thinking..what if BP pre-records all of the shoes and plays them throughout the day. This would give them an advantage, they could edit the videos, and alter the cards. anyone know if this is possible?

Same here. I was told that it was a computer problem and the technicians are working on it. Said would be up in 1 hour. that was at 1:15am Eastern.

I'm not too worried as I made $2,500 earlier today and withdrew it all today and got the cash via wire.

I'm keeping an eye on the live TV shows in the background to see if they match mine. Usually they have it on CNN which is shown real time everywhere.

[Mreteuya]

Its working fine now. 1:47am eastern

[John12345]

that is a good idea to watch see if their tv is update with your tv. I never thought of that. I also see that it is working fine. I am playing now. Finally.

[TomM]

John,

I am no shill for Bph but I scoured the internet before depositing there and cannot not find anything bad about them. I checked with the casinomeister and even though they have little input about Bph on the forum the few that I read were favorable. I am not planning a withdrawal until I have 20K in there and then I will probably leave 10K in. If you can confirm your suspicions let us know but check with all the sports betting forums. Some of those guys are hauling out considerable sums and no body is making any fuss about them that I head of.

Hey anything is possible when it comes to money. I just can't find any concrete evidence that Betphoenix is stiffing there patrons. Yes they do market intensely so if you don't want a call from them don't give them your phone # when you sign up. After I made a small deposit I never heard from them again. I have called their support a few times and found them knowledgeable and competent. There is an post in one of the huge sports books forums about them having flown the operator of the forum down to the Bph compound and it is a large operation. They employ 100's of locals and the guy went on to say how impressed he was with the whole works. I wished I had bookmarked that but that was a 3 months or more ago anyway.

I have tracked the dealers shifts, card rack and shoe position and the whole nine yards but can't find anything out of the ordinary even when they come back from there normal 5 minute break to reset the servers and the shoe always comes back to what I might expect from where it left off. If I can come up with some hard evidence that they are stiffing their patrons I will be the first to sound off right here but I am just not seeing that now.

The link in Kills post above just takes you to something called Bookie something and the article is not dated and no byline so I tend not to give that much credibility unless some 3rd party that I have heard of can substantiate that.

What chance do we have here in the USA with what’s going on (better yet..whats not going on in D.C) it could be years before the whole online gambling thing is even addressed. The way things are right now I will probably be dead before the law is even addressed let alone changed. If things were different I would be playing several different online casinos but that isn't an option right now.

The shift changes have always gone flawlessly when I am on their site. Also when something weird happens (card doesn’t scan properly or something) the pit will replace it deliberately in front of the camera that is constantly showing CNN or something with real time news. I do have to put a post-it note over Larry Kings mug when he on the tube but other than that no problemo.

If you are a citizen of the USA start calling your Congressman and Senators and tell the bums to start looking for new gig.

[John12345]

yea BP isn't really all that bad. It is not my favorite place to play but I play there because of the Laws. I have made multiple withdraws and I have never had a problem and when I have some sort of tech problem, they are always wiling to help me out. A few months ago they had a lot of server issues but they seem to be cleared up. I actually don't need to worry about the online gambling laws. I got very lucky because table games were legalized in PA, so about 7 minutes down the road from me at Harrah's Chester, I will have access to baccarat whenenver I want. I think this is much better than playing online. But either way, I do think that the laws need to be changed. I don't see that coming anytime soon though.

[Plasia87]

Can I play on this place from Australia? We should hop on skype or something regularly and play a few shoes.

[Guest NBAProCapper]

Guys i Can confirm, Betphoenix.com is solid.

I do alot of transactions with some fairly large wagers $7,500 specifically (post up depositing) and actually have a solid agent that settles with me bi-weekly (I play on credit no need to deposit thus making it like a local bookie type of deal) If anyone is interested (paid members only) contact me via pm and i can give you information about setting up a credit account.

The best part of going through an agent isn't the credit line, its the fact that i receive back 18% of losses with no carryover. So when i do have a losing week i get back 18% of my losses. Now i know i stick mostly to sports betting but the VIG/commission for sports betting sits around 10%, where as baccarat is 5% if i remember correctly. So by getting the 18% back on your losses im almost 100% certain you are turning this -ev game into a +ev game.

[Audionut]

Hi NBAPro!

Can you clarify the "agent" arrangement??? Have never heard of this... I'm assuming your in the US? Where do you find these agents?

Let alone one that will return 18% of your losses??? Is this "legal"?

I've been looking for a way to bet sports for a long time in Columbus, OH... Been very wary of offshore casinos and their bad reputation for paying out...

Anyway, thanks much for the insight!!

[Guest NBAProCapper]

Hey Audionut,

First i would like to clarify legality. I am living in canada, so everything is still totally legal fpr me. With that said, im not 100% sure on legalities for US citizens.

When you are placing bets with these agent sites, you are placing your bets through them which are situated in costa rica. (so you are still placing your wagers offshore) I know bookmaker, diamond sportsbook, betjamacia all accept Us players, so i know its possible to place wagers from the us and have friends that do regularly bet with thegreek.com and my agent with no problems.

Agents are for locals who want to use a sites resources, customer service betting lines software etc is all provided by the company. The Agent takes care of all the financial end of the account. Most of the big player sites 5dimes, betphoenix, thegreek, jazzsports, all offer agent services.

Your best bet for finding an agent would be locally at your casino, or someone you know. If you want i can get you in touch with the person i use, but im not sure about the credit line you will be able to get, if A he doesnt know you and B you never played on either jazzsports.com or betphoenix.com

,

Getting losses back or KICKBACK is perfectly legal there is no law or rules against this.

Hi NBAPro!

Can you clarify the "agent" arrangement??? Have never heard of this... I'm assuming your in the US? Where do you find these agents?

Let alone one that will return 18% of your losses??? Is this "legal"?

I've been looking for a way to bet sports for a long time in Columbus, OH... Been very wary of offshore casinos and their bad reputation for paying out...

If you wanna shoot me a pm with ur skype or msn i can give you more information on my agent, as well as some info on some Solid sportsbooks that cater to US players.

Anyway, thanks much for the insight!!