Keith Smith Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Folks,Here is the training seminar we have planned for August 13th. The Early Bird Price for members is $249.00. Ellis and myself will be presenting and answering questions. We will be covering all NOR topics and taking all questions. The course will be 6 hours long. Afterwards we can all go to the Casino whether it be Hollywood Casino in Grantville or up the road to the Sands in Bethlehem.Non Members the cost is $795.00.Details will be sent to those who register.http://events.constantcontact.com/register/event?llr=lmqyi4dab&oeidk=a07e4dsyzgc3ef97388RegardsKeith Join us in Vegas for the Back to Vegas Seminar at the Crescent Dealer's School Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 We are also negotiating room rates. These seminars have been extremely popular in the past and hundreds of members have attended and were all very glad they did.There is something about explaining things in person on a flip shart. You can show stuff in seconds that takes hours of explaining in manuals. There is just no faster or better way to get the light bulbs to turn on in your head. 6 hours is enough time to explain every facet of NOR and answer every question you could possibly have. I can guarantee that every attendee will end up knowing exactly how to play NOR and how to play it the best way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ma1n Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Hi Ellis & Keith, Have you think of conducting such seminar online ? This will give more opportunity to guys like us on the other part of the world to have the same chance to learn live from you. I guess there is a lot of online web-hosting we can look into, and every participant just need to dial-in and watch the presentation and Q&A, which is more efficient. Cheers,d0ma1n d0ma1nNOR & SAP student Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnycs1 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Ellis,Can ya give us little ole senior citizens , the senior discount ?..... What is the closest airport to fly into from Albuquerque , if ya know ?And would the hotel rooms be in the presentation hotel ?Thanks............might see ya there ??johnny/albuquerque ps.... will you have handouts for us slower senior citizens and also will you have the Hard Copy Nor Manual, will it be included ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Ellis,Can ya give us little ole senior citizens , the senior discount ?..... What is the closest airport to fly into from Albuquerque , if ya know ?And would the hotel rooms be in the presentation hotel ?Thanks............might see ya there ??johnny/albuquerque ps.... will you have handouts for us slower senior citizens and also will you have the Hard Copy Nor Manual, will it be included ?You'd fly into Harrisburg but let's see if we get enough guys first. That was awful short notice. In the past we had most training seminars in Vegas or AC with a few in MN, KS, CO, NY, TX, LA, MS, AZ and MN and a couple in Canada and the Bahamas and a couple in Boston. We did have one in Philly come to think of it. Jeez, I did a lot of training seminars now that I think about it and a lot of them were 4 day seminars. Today I get tired just thinking about it. Then we played every night to boot. Oh to be 50 again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Hi Ellis & Keith, Have you think of conducting such seminar online ? This will give more opportunity to guys like us on the other part of the world to have the same chance to learn live from you. I guess there is a lot of online web-hosting we can look into, and every participant just need to dial-in and watch the presentation and Q&A, which is more efficient. Cheers,d0ma1nWe tried 3 or 4 but the real thing is a whole lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ma1n Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Ellis, Yes, i know the real thing is more better, but am just thinking for the interest for the rest of the members in this regions (Asia Pacific).Since NOR is a truely universal winning system which i have used it (remember my korea post? I just change my ID), so it would be good to have it once more, since we wouldn't have the luxury compare to folks in US. At least the hope is can watch the Bac-Legend like you and Keith, to share and show us LIVE on performing NOR, while both of you still have the passion and time to do it now, why not strecth the limit. If not, then we will only depend on BTC forum as well as the NOR manual later. d0ma1n d0ma1nNOR & SAP student Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Ellis, Yes, i know the real thing is more better, but am just thinking for the interest for the rest of the members in this regions (Asia Pacific).Since NOR is a truely universal winning system which i have used it (remember my korea post? I just change my ID), so it would be good to have it once more, since we wouldn't have the luxury compare to folks in US. At least the hope is can watch the Bac-Legend like you and Keith, to share and show us LIVE on performing NOR, while both of you still have the passion and time to do it now, why not strecth the limit. If not, then we will only depend on BTC forum as well as the NOR manual later. d0ma1nOK, well said. I'll take this under advisement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted July 24, 2011 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 OK, well said. I'll take this under advisement.So I will tittle this post " IF I FELL IN LOVE WITH YOU" ( google the lyrics, it's an old Beatles song...listen to the words, and you ( whoever is reading this) will understand...))Just visited the newly opened ( July 18, 2011) Rivers Casino in Des Plains, IL...just a quick cab ride from the O'Hare Chicago airport for those of you out-of-town ...Made an absolute killing on each of the 5 tables open, and they were all CHOP-CHOP-SUEY, for 8 hours!!!!!Anyone doubts NOR, p-u-l-l-e-z-e PM me!!So simple, so easy...and due to mostly to System 40 I barely broke a sweat...results over $10 large in a few portions of a few shoes...As always, I met with all the usual suspects...The person(s) who finally just followed me.. most of the BAC table houndsThe person(s) who thought I was "just lucky" and started betting against me...only to decide better that GIMME' SHELTER had better lyrics and they moved to another table...The newbie Casino Pit Boss ( remember, this is a brand new casino...) who tried to stare-me-down , and acted like he even had a clue what the game is all about...WHAZZUP' WID ' DAT?bottom line if you are:1) on the fence about PA 8/13, get yourself a ticket before it is sold out!2) one of those other forum types who think you have to run Zumma or Total Gym ( something like that) to prove for the millenium that "this thing works" 3) in need of a quick fix to your bankroll and confidencehighly recommend you take the redeye to Chicago, and get yourself to the Rivers Casino B4 they figure it outeven better, get with the boys and see what NOR is really all about! Cannot believe this thing is only $300, and don't spend it if you "get it", but for those of you still doubting THE POWER, just PM me.....you will be amazed at the effect it can have on your game...Good luck to all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 So I will tittle this post " IF I FELL IN LOVE WITH YOU" ( google the lyrics, it's an old Beatles song...listen to the words, and you ( whoever is reading this) will understand...))Just visited the newly opened ( July 18, 2011) Rivers Casino in Des Plains, IL...just a quick cab ride from the O'Hare Chicago airport for those of you out-of-town ...Made an absolute killing on each of the 5 tables open, and they were all CHOP-CHOP-SUEY, for 8 hours!!!!!Anyone doubts NOR, p-u-l-l-e-z-e PM me!!So simple, so easy...and due to mostly to System 40 I barely broke a sweat...results over $10 large in a few portions of a few shoes...As always, I met with all the usual suspects...The person(s) who finally just followed me.. most of the BAC table houndsThe person(s) who thought I was "just lucky" and started betting against me...only to decide better that GIMME' SHELTER had better lyrics and they moved to another table...The newbie Casino Pit Boss ( remember, this is a brand new casino...) who tried to stare-me-down , and acted like he even had a clue what the game is all about...WHAZZUP' WID ' DAT?bottom line if you are:1) on the fence about PA 8/13, get yourself a ticket before it is sold out!2) one of those other forum types who think you have to run Zumma or Total Gym ( something like that) to prove for the millenium that "this thing works" 3) in need of a quick fix to your bankroll and confidencehighly recommend you take the redeye to Chicago, and get yourself to the Rivers Casino B4 they figure it outeven better, get with the boys and see what NOR is really all about! Cannot believe this thing is only $300, and don't spend it if you "get it", but for those of you still doubting THE POWER, just PM me.....you will be amazed at the effect it can have on your game...Good luck to all...Few guys can get me laughing in stiches before 5 am. But Kachatz sure can!And anyone who thinks casinos have no control over the shoe just need to go to a newly opened casino where they haven't learned the tricks of the trade yet. All "chop suey" shoes is impossible with a random shuffle. But so is everything else you see in casinos day after day. "Zumma or total gym" or whatever - now that is funny!I hate to clue those Zumma tester guys in but I knew the guy. He started in the late '80s when I started and even conferred with me on how best to set up his books. The problem was that when he recorded all those shoes the standard Bac shuffle used back then favored streak. So if your system beats the Zumma testers, all that means is you have a good streak system. But what if its chop suey like it was for Kachatz? Whoops!Yes, we are definitely going to have the seminar. We already have enough attendees. It will likely be my last so I want to make it my best. I'll teach you everything I know. Keith is investigating room rates and such in the area so we can give you good advice. You can also bid on your plane tickets and get them for about half price if you hold out long enough.Hey Keith, I'm thinking you can negotiate with the casino mgr. to make sure they've got that medi bac table also open when we play??? That would make Hollywood the better choice. It's a $25 table guys but it's also pretty much a sure thing. I know a lot of you guys will be looking to make back your trip costs during play after the seminar. I've played that table many times and I've never lost at it. I'll do my very best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted July 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 I am looking into some room rates to see what I can get, needless to say the first question is always how many can you guarantee will be staying if so I can give you this rate. Also, the Casino Manager and host both said to let them know if we have any issues ( the poor bastard don't know what there in for) when we are there and they will also have the MIDI BAC open for us.RegardsKeith Join us in Vegas for the Back to Vegas Seminar at the Crescent Dealer's School Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted July 24, 2011 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Keith-I just booked my ticket...hoping to not just participate in THE NOR SEMINAR, but also play with you guys, have a few cocktails, recount a few war stories, etc. and on Sunday am I have left plenty of time for meet/greet/share/exchange ideas/ show- and -tell ( yes, I hope everyone brings some of their actual played-shoe cards!) I expect to get a lot out of this exchange, and especially establish a closer contact with those of you in our community who know we can/do/will BEAT THE CASINOIn the meantime, good luck to all...and I am asking you, Keith to put me down for a room 2 nights...arrive Friday and depart Sunday...PM me if you need anything in the meantime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users Pamela Conkey Posted July 24, 2011 Users Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Ellis, any chance on recording the seminar? You could put it on a privite thread and make it a pay for view. That way anyone who can't make it to PA can get the info.I can't speak for others but I'd be happy to pay for this. Regards, Brian.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVSeahog Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 bottom line if you are: ....2) one of those other forum types who think you have to run Zumma or Total Gym ( something like that) to prove for the millenium that "this thing works" That cracked me up. Thanks! MVS What's an MVSeahog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted July 25, 2011 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 OK, so it's another day...Pick your poison...(OOps, I did it again...Brittney Spears or I Shot the Sheriff,, Clapton or Marley, pick it)Decided it was unfair to just say I did it, w/o proving I could do it again...well...........yes and no.So I went back to the Lions' Den that is the new Rivers Casino, and YES I escaped with a $3100 win, but there is a story behind this,,,( go figure)Thought I was just takin' candy from a baby, until...I went to cash out.That's when my troubles began.Did I have a driver's license? ( No , I just have the keys to my car)Did I know my social security # ? ( yeah , but years of that buzzing noise from Jack's Total Juicer had me in a tizzy, hard to remember the #...)OOps, maybe I should have shot-the-sheriff right there....WRONG!!OK, so NOR is an established/verified/slam-dunkBut DO NOT try to escape the claws of JohnyEYEinTheSkyLaw...he is watching, he is waiting..........and he's got his eyes on UGot to the cage, and they had me dialed in, within minutes a few beef-cake Security -types ( and one GF I would'a done in a NY minute!) converged on the xene...lots of talking, wanted to keep,my $$ ( buy-in + win...ouch!), I just played it COOL ( asked one of the 20-something security-guards if they were feeling "lucky", they did not get the "punk part")'til finally they relented and gave me my $$ ( Oh, did I mention I was at the cage for more than 1 hour?)Anyone ever watch the movie CASINO? Thought this doesn't happen anymore? Winner, winner...there is a reason they give you a Chicken dinner ( to cool you off)Nothing broken, here ( bones, i mean) ........... the NOR is ever powerful, and doubtful you will run into the SHERIFF, but keep your hands to yourselfAgain, nothing but the CHOP, and nothing a little diagnostic O/R charting+ SAP could not handle..C U in Harrisburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuttlesmasher Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 over $3.1k??? holy shit..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 OK, so it's another day...Pick your poison...(OOps, I did it again...Brittney Spears or I Shot the Sheriff,, Clapton or Marley, pick it)Decided it was unfair to just say I did it, w/o proving I could do it again...well...........yes and no.So I went back to the Lions' Den that is the new Rivers Casino, and YES I escaped with a $3100 win, but there is a story behind this,,,( go figure)Thought I was just takin' candy from a baby, until...I went to cash out.That's when my troubles began.Did I have a driver's license? ( No , I just have the keys to my car)Did I know my social security # ? ( yeah , but years of that buzzing noise from Jack's Total Juicer had me in a tizzy, hard to remember the #...)OOps, maybe I should have shot-the-sheriff right there....WRONG!!OK, so NOR is an established/verified/slam-dunkBut DO NOT try to escape the claws of JohnyEYEinTheSkyLaw...he is watching, he is waiting..........and he's got his eyes on UGot to the cage, and they had me dialed in, within minutes a few beef-cake Security -types ( and one GF I would'a done in a NY minute!) converged on the xene...lots of talking, wanted to keep,my $$ ( buy-in + win...ouch!), I just played it COOL ( asked one of the 20-something security-guards if they were feeling "lucky", they did not get the "punk part")'til finally they relented and gave me my $$ ( Oh, did I mention I was at the cage for more than 1 hour?)Anyone ever watch the movie CASINO? Thought this doesn't happen anymore? Winner, winner...there is a reason they give you a Chicken dinner ( to cool you off)Nothing broken, here ( bones, i mean) ........... the NOR is ever powerful, and doubtful you will run into the SHERIFF, but keep your hands to yourselfAgain, nothing but the CHOP, and nothing a little diagnostic O/R charting+ SAP could not handle..C U in Harrisburg.Good play Kachatz! See guys, it ain't luck when you can keep doing it.I've been brought to a lot of back rooms in my day and ushered out of a lot of casinos but they never laid a hand on me and always paid me - eventually. Usually they were pretty polite - usually.I think it's your casino guys that have been watching too many movies. If you ever think you need to just say "guys, whatever happens next, ten thousand Baccarat players will know about it tomorrow including a few good lawyers." THAT works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted July 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Allright Ellis I just booked your flight from Little Rock to Harrisburg on Thursday. You have a layover in Charlotte. A little higher on Priceline this time was $405. I think the cheapest we got it was $327 one time for this flying into Harrisburg International for the seminar. You'll get the details via email.K Join us in Vegas for the Back to Vegas Seminar at the Crescent Dealer's School Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ma1n Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Ellis, any chance on recording the seminar? You could put it on a privite thread and make it a pay for view. That way anyone who can't make it to PA can get the info.I can't speak for others but I'd be happy to pay for this. Regards, Brian..............Good idea ! I would pay to view as well. Something to re-consider since it will be the last training seminar by Ellis. Folks on the other side of this world, can learn better with recorded video + NOR manual, then we can leave the Q&A to BTC. d0ma1n d0ma1nNOR & SAP student Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baccarat Hall of Fame Member kachatz1 Posted July 25, 2011 Baccarat Hall of Fame Member Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 over $3.1k??? holy shit.....Using Black chips, that is the situation. Used a modest 2,3,4 progression where i thought it made sense.Took me about 2 hours ( 1.3 shoes...)So + 31 units, expressed in BTC terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Ellis, any chance on recording the seminar? You could put it on a privite thread and make it a pay for view. That way anyone who can't make it to PA can get the info.I can't speak for others but I'd be happy to pay for this. Regards, Brian..............Keith, can we do this? I don't have a movie camera any more but I think BTC does, don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted July 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Yes we will be recording the seminar. Also we have a deal with the Holiday INN for a discount for rooms I am firming up the details today. Join us in Vegas for the Back to Vegas Seminar at the Crescent Dealer's School Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) Seminar Arrangements: Holiday Inn Harrisburg HersheyOK, Keith was busy today so I firmed up all the arrangements with the Holiday Inn myself. We will be having the seminar right there at the Holiday Inn from 10 AM to 6 PM on Sat Aug 13th. Yes, the Holiday will furnish us transportation to and from the casino. I'm trying to avoid making it necessary for you to rent cars. I'm pretty sure we and Holiday together can get everyone transportation to and from the airport to Holiday. Holiday has competitive pricing for that area but when you figure in free transportation if you stay at Holiday, it's probably the best deal bottom line and certainly the most convenient for everyone. Our rate at the Holiday is $129.29 on Sat and $99.99 on Fri and Sunday or whatever other days you choose to stay. Their normal rate is $199.99 so they are giving us a substantial deal. The Holiday has asked that you make your reservations through us so we both can keep track of everyone and insure your discount but you will be responsible for your own bill. Now, by 6P on Sat. we'll all be starved and Holiday has a choice of 3 restaurants. One sounded like our kind of place. So we can all have dinner together and then all go to the casino together and come back to the Holiday together. I think we've come up with the best possible and most convenient deal for everyone.BTW, at the last minute the casino backed out of letting us have the seminar right there. This doesn't surprise me at all. Out of hundreds of seminars I have yet to have a casino let us have a training seminar on casino premises. We've beat that casino 4 times straight at this point and they've taken notice. This has always been the case.Get your reservation in to us ASAP. See you all there! And at the casino! Edited July 27, 2011 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ma1n Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Yes we will be recording the seminar.Keith, This is great, make sure you make the video available after the seminar. And also, charge a reasonable price for the member. I have an idea, you can promote the new NOR manual to the public with the same price, they can have the NOR teaching on video as well if they purchase the manual for a certain period of time, this will be more attractive as I believe there are some like me is a visual learner. If this marketing work, maybe you can grant me a free access to the video later =)Cheersd0ma1n d0ma1nNOR & SAP student Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Keith, This is great, make sure you make the video available after the seminar. And also, charge a reasonable price for the member. I have an idea, you can promote the new NOR manual to the public with the same price, they can have the NOR teaching on video as well if they purchase the manual for a certain period of time, this will be more attractive as I believe there are some like me is a visual learner. If this marketing work, maybe you can grant me a free access to the video later =)Cheersd0ma1nKeith, We should hire this guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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