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Great idea to ask what does the entire shoe looks like up to this point,Ellis. Otherwise, we have to continue to scroll down to find out what each previous decision was. Let the moderator be aware of that as we continue, to give all prior results up until the newest decision being revealed. That being said, I will place 1 unit on Banker. This is a great exercise!

Joeystyle:

great thought...

i am most excited by the fact that we now have 8 players in/out of this shoe.

this is the most # of BTC forum members involved in a single post in a long while!

THIS IS A REAL SHOE. I AM PLAYING EXACTLY AS I PLAYED IT THE OTHER DAY.

THIS IS NOT, REPEAT NOT A TEST OF WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T e.v.e.r.y. s.i.n.g.l.e. h.a.n. d ( nothing works every single hand!!!), and it is not a test of Ellis' will and deternination to make a $million ( see his earlier post)

rather, it is a real-time ( almost) engagement of all of our forum members ideas/concepts, and as stated befor:

1) just say what you bet

2) say how much and what Money Management strategy are you using for this shoe??

3) help us all have a look at just what NOR, SAP, SYS 40, or w.h.a.t.e.v.e.r. it is you are using to win/ play /bet ( you will not be held accountable for every hand! And I will not respond to negative comments!)

Ellis rules in my book, no matter what! I have met him and Keith, they are the "real deal" and any doubts sign up for the Vegas seminar and you will become a true believer

Or, cannot make it to Vegas??? just read a bunch of the previos posts, and you will catch up real quick to "where we ( as a group ) are at..."

That said, game on...Our singular goal is to "win this shoe", whether your objective is one unit, two units, five units or Whatever>>>>>>>>

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Great minds??? I go 1 on P, since I'm -2, I stay at 1 uit until I win a few hands (figure out the shoe).

Bill

Bill is absolutely right ( meaning he should pay more atention to the BTC site...Ha! he knows me...)..

.It Was A Player! And now me up two units I have to just go with the flow...BACK TO THE BANKER FOR ONE UNIT!

PP BBBB P B P B P so far...those of you who want to circle-the-wagons, make sure you provide for the women and children...

The cocktail waitress has left, but across the way I can see as follow

PP BB PP last six hands...

AND someone just won $319 on slots behind me..

Cha Ching, Cha Ching...bring it on!.

who wANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE?

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Bill is absolutely right ( meaning he should pay more atention to the BTC site...Ha! he knows me...)..

.It Was A Player! And now me up two units I have to just go with the flow...BACK TO THE BANKER FOR ONE UNIT!

PP BBBB P B P B P so far...those of you who want to circle-the-wagons, make sure you provide for the women and children...

The cocktail waitress has left, but across the way I can see as follow

PP BB PP last six hands...

AND someone just won $319 on slots behind me..

Cha Ching, Cha Ching...bring it on!.

who wANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE?[/quote

PS: Not that it matters, but I noted on my card for 9: 29 pm, they are working on opening table #3...by the time they shudffle 8 decks and do everything they can to defeat us, i suspect 10pm opening...told you all this will be a real time/ real casino/ real "noise" shoe, from my notes perspective,...really this is REAL TIME ( even took place almost a week ago now...i will report the real results!)

Wann'a bet?

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1's are screaming,my computer was still back at the last b,202 p.m post with ellis,i posted p,then saw your result,then had to repost b,hey ellis I guess with that positive count it's S40 2 like you said at 202 p.m would be a good choice

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My next bet will be B for a unit. Based on the evidence that Opposites are riding high now.

I didn't want you to think that we are working with here is being taken lightly by me. Myself and the other members are following along your play by play. But,you had real money riding on every decision in this shoe. Which is extremely important. What is helping me most in using NOR, is that there has been undeniable proof that this whole concept works. I am reaching a higher comfort and confidence level each day I read the multitudes of postings on this forum. Then also going to felts and playing this out with real money. I am working on keeping my emotions in check (its tough I am an Italian lol) at a Casino. Sure there is a distraction of an attractive cocktail waitress. But, there are other aspects too. Like sitting next to a couple of other players who putting $500,$1000 or $2,000 on player or Banker where as I may be putting say 50 bucks or 100. Just the magnitude of the wages themselves. Or, what I get a high from is seeing everyone at the table bet completely opposite from me, and seeing the decision go my way because I was following the NOR Doctrine. I get such a natural high and feeling of accomplishment when I hit a level of say 5,7, or 10 units in a shoe. For this I must thank Ellis, Keith,KA,Papa Joe, Andrea and countless others who put in a lot of time to help me and many others become competent Bac players.

Joey

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1's are screaming,my computer was still back at the last b,202 p.m post with ellis,i posted p,then saw your result,then had to repost b,hey ellis I guess with that positive count it's S40 2 like you said at 202 p.m would be a good choice

Well, pretty much we all concurred that with the "run" of 1's, best bet was on Banker.

And of course, Player comes along instead...

So now we have the following:

PP BBBB P B P B PP

6 player , 6 banker

I decided to sit this next hand out, and just wait and see. Was thinking to go right back on Banker, but this next hand was a No Bet for me.

Ideas, Ellis?

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Well, pretty much we all concurred that with the "run" of 1's, best bet was on Banker.

And of course, Player comes along instead...

So now we have the following:

PP BBBB P B P B PP

6 player , 6 banker

I decided to sit this next hand out, and just wait and see. Was thinking to go right back on Banker, but this next hand was a No Bet for me.

Ideas, Ellis?

Yeah, I missed making that last bet and am at -1. The OR count is at +1. That doesn't tell us a whole lot but

Overlay still says S40 2 so I'll go with that and bet 1 on B.

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I lost one unit on the last Player. I will lay down 2 units on Banker. I realize its early in the festivities, but we have not seen a a "3" come up yet. Hoping trend will continue, I am using SB40.

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I lost one unit on the last Player. I will lay down 2 units on Banker. I realize its early in the festivities, but we have not seen a a "3" come up yet. Hoping trend will continue, I am using SB40.

I see Ellis with a similar line of reasoning, and certainly it helps establish a sound basis for a play on the Banker.

Unfortunately, the result was P7 B4, so we now have 3 players-in-a-row...that leaves me still +1 unit for the shoe, and since we have seen a 4 in a row already I will wager 1 unit on the Player.

here is where we stand so far:

PP BBBB P B P B PPP

good luck, everyone!

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So it was a Banker winner...B5 P2

Time for me ( who is now +0 for the shoe) to a time-honored strategy seems to work for me. I wrote about it in a post titled A HORSE WITH NO NAME, dated 2/28/10

Been using it for years,when in doubt, and yes, despite the "50'50" nature of the game, just seems to work a little more than 50/50

So I am now going to back the Player for 2 units.

Read my post, 18 months + old, and you will understand. That is the beauty of this forum...you can go back, over and over, to some stuff has been written and debated before.

Who else wants to bet?

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I'm out at -4 with a 3 bet due. Can't seem to get an answer if we are playing a random gen.

Ellis-

Not sure if i will answer corectly, but these cards came right out of the shuflemaster.

If you suspect they came fro a "random generator", then perhaps you need to tell us ALL how to identify this? I know all about table selection, etering the shoe at the optimal ( i.e." for our chosen strategy") point,etc.

But the cards dealt in this shoe were started at around 9 pm, likely been played all day...I play all the time this casino, and they DO NOT keep putting new cards in play , unless it is a new table, as I described table 3 coming on line a few hands ago ( liley to open around 10pm)...FYI, I verified with the dealer this table was open all day...THIS IS A REAL SHOE,PLAYED REAL TIME last wednesday night in Milwaukee WI.. www.paysbig.com

This is the first time I have seen you ask this question ( seems you had asked previously) ?? So not sure how to answer...maybe a good lesson for all, HOW-DOES-ONE-DETECT-THIS for absolute certainty?

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I was sitting a few hands and wanted to get back to the game. Since I lost last bet and still had 2u, I am going to bet 2u on the Banker and hoping it goes to 2 banker in a row. I think the obt4l is a good bet.

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