My Halloween Birthday Trip Report!

[witchygal]

Happy Halloween to all members!

Today also happen to be my birthday (the reason for my nick) and i decided to make a trip to the casino to try out NOR after studying and practicing for a whole week! I also feel lucky since it's my birthday!

Here is my trip report to share with all of you.

Reached the casino and remembering what i learned step by step, i took a score card and planned how to chart by writing down the various columns in vertical mode (OR, P, B, Score). Next i went around looking at the toteboards and try to spot a bias table. I observed quite a while and playing NOR in my head to test out my accuracy. I also counted the OR and SAP to check which system to play.

After roaming around for 1 hour, i finally found a very bias table and with confidence, i buy in and started playing.

First shoe i played today with very strong S40

P211111111121111211 (i start playing after these came out)

So the following were the hands i played

B111121211115122

P221111223223

The whole shoe ended.

Result was +13 units at $25 each. The highest i hit was +20 and I used 123 prog and never had to bet more than 2 units. OR at the last hand was +23! Very strong S40 right? I could have changed to 234 or 345 but since it is my first time playing NOR and to be safe i stick to 123. I could have stopped playing at my highest +20 but i wanted to finish the whole shoe. Nevertheless it was a good game!

Next i took a 30 mins break and after that continued to find a good table.

Spotted another bias table at the smoking zone similar to the first shoe i played! Jumped in without fear and played S40 too!

2nd shoe was as follows:

B1121121122 (after seeing these and double check i started playing)

Started from these hands:

P121512112128

P2211412122

B12111111

The shoe ended. OR count at last hand was +10.

Result i scored +15 units at $25 each and also using 123 prog. This score is the highest for this shoe. I know i know, i should have used 234 or 345 but i did not again. Too excited and happy because i'm playing with confidence and totally different from my previous trips to the casino. Last time i was betting with fear and playing the guessing game. Now that i learned NOR, it changed the game totally for me!

Total 2 shoes played today with +13 and +15 = 28units @ $25 = $700 and I got my membership fees back!

I played non-commission table so it's really awesome for my first time results. I am so glad i found this forum and more glad that i learned NOR!

Thank you so much Dr. Ellis and Keith for putting up this awesome system so that we can become consistent winners and players! I will continue to practice hard and learn more!

This concludes my first trip report and applying NOR at the game. For those who are hesitating to join the private forum, you are missing out on real solid stuff! Please join if you want to be a winner!

Lastly Happy Halloween to all! Have a spooky time!

(P.S. It's 11.40pm here in Singapore and my birthday is nearly over. Still, i am a really happy girl today!)

[witchygal]

Oh i forgot to mention that the shoes were played in Resort World Sentosa Singapore today.

Just calculated the P.A just for fun:

Shoe 1 :

Net win : +13 units

Total bets : 62 units

P.A. : 20%

Shoe 2 :

Net win : +15 units

Total bets : 69 units

P.A. : 21%

Average P.A. for 2 shoes played : 21%

[zebra]

Congatulations Witchy

Wow - what amazing shoes! I'm booking a flight to Singapore.

First shoe was 29-26-8-4 and the second was 18-20-0 12.

Are they always like that?

Paul

Edited October 31, 2011 by zebra

[witchygal]

Congatulations Witchy

Wow - what amazing shoes! I'm booking a flight to Singapore.

First shoe was 29-26-8-4 and the second was 18-20-0 12.

Are they always like that?

Paul

Lol Thank you Paul i guess i was lucky to find these 2 shoes tonight! I was lurking around the tables like a hawk hahahah!

I saw some streaky shoes too but did not have the confidence to play them. The tables were very crowded and they turned out weird at the end.

Let me know if you are coming to Singapore! I would really be glad to play host and we'll go play together!

As it's my first time playing NOR, i am still not too sure how to spot a really bias table (those requiring OTB4L or F system) S40 is easy to find. I took some time to count the OR and SAP as well. People looked at me with puzzled faces.

For the 2 shoes played tonite, i was the only one recording the scores at the tables, the pitboss even asked me what kind of "secret weapon" am i using as my chips were going up! One guy sitting beside me asked if he could look at my scoresheet but he could not understand it. He asked why am i charting it vertically?? Lol!

[Guest]

Oh i forgot to mention that the shoes were played in Resort World Sentosa Singapore today.

Just calculated the P.A just for fun:

Shoe 1 :

Net win : +13 units

Total bets : 62 units

P.A. : 20%

Shoe 2 :

Net win : +15 units

Total bets : 69 units

P.A. : 21%

Average P.A. for 2 shoes played : 21%

Excellent work Witchy. Everything right by the book. BTW, almost nobody goes to the 234 or 345 on their first day. Ha, some don't do it their first year.

I think the most important point your shoes demonstrate is that the more biased a shoe is, the more likely it will continue to follow that bias. You saw first hand the value of taking the time to find the most biased table. You would be amazed at how few players actually do this. Your shoes are decidedly outside the random envelope. But players ignore this huge advantage. No shuffle is perfect, neither by hand nor by machine.

It is very hard for outsiders to believe that members could win back their entire tuition their first day out but this happens very frequently.

Oh and happy birthday!

Now back to the business at hand:

The most common mistake members make at this point is over confidence. Don't even think about going there. Always keep it first in your mind. The casinos pretend to be nice to you but they are your enemy. They are out to beat you. Never let your guard down!

[witchygal]

Excellent work Witchy. Everything right by the book. BTW, almost nobody goes to the 234 or 345 on their first day. Ha, some don't do it their first year.

I think the most important point your shoes demonstrate is that the more biased a shoe is, the more likely it will continue to follow that bias. You saw first hand the value of taking the time to find the most biased table. You would be amazed at how few players actually do this. Your shoes are decidedly outside the random envelope. But players ignore this huge advantage. No shuffle is perfect, neither by hand nor by machine.

It is very hard for outsiders to believe that members could win back their entire tuition their first day out but this happens very frequently.

Oh and happy birthday!

Now back to the business at hand:

The most common mistake members make at this point is over confidence. Don't even think about going there. Always keep it first in your mind. The casinos pretend to be nice to you but they are your enemy. They are out to beat you. Never let your guard down!

Thank you Dr. Ellis!

Yes i'm following your teachings strictly and making sure i double check everything before starting to play.

I will remember what you say and continue to learn and gain more experience.

[MVSeahog]

Lol Thank you Paul i guess i was lucky to find these 2 shoes tonight! I was lurking around the tables like a hawk hahahah!

As Ellis has always said, "find the biased table" first and then go play!

I saw some streaky shoes too but did not have the confidence to play them.

Good call. If it doesn't feel right, don't play it.

S40 is easy to find. I took some time to count the OR and SAP as well. People looked at me with puzzled faces.

Let them look. S40 is a tried and true play.

For the 2 shoes played tonite, i was the only one recording the scores at the tables, the pitboss even asked me what kind of "secret weapon" am i using as my chips were going up! One guy sitting beside me asked if he could look at my scoresheet but he could not understand it. He asked why am i charting it vertically?? Lol!

Yep, most look at me when I'm at a B&M casino and wonder the same thing. EVERYBODY else is horizontal.

I also agree with Zebra. I need to see those tables full of 1's and 2's all bunched up like that!! S40 to the max!

Once again, nice job and congratulations on your wins.

MVS (and Happy Birthday. I was wondering about the "witchygal" moniker. Question answered!)

[witchygal]

Thank you MVSeahog for your encouragement and well wishes. Come to Singapore with Zebra! =)

[Danicito]

great work Witchygal

a deserved reward for your study and perseverance.

and happy birthday

[witchygal]

Thank you Danicito!

I will continue to study hard. =)

[core]

i already posted this in the private forum but i thought i should post here to. I hope Ellis and Keith don't mad at me

Hello,

iam a newbie since i paid for the NOR private forum couple days ago. I don't have as much knowledge as seniors and pros here but today I tested the water.

Day 1

I played 6 shoes and didnt perform table selection or biases because it's hard to find biases here so I use OR to start.

Shoe 1 : Chop shoe ( + RM400 )

Shoe 2 : Chop shoe ( + RM 500 )

Shoe 3 : CHop Shoe ( + RM 600 )

Shoe 4 : Chop Shoe ( + RM 100 )

Shoe 5 : Chop Shoe ( + RM 1300 )

Shoe 6 : Streaky Shoe ( + RM 300 )

Summary :

Total shoes played : 6

Bought in : RM 1500 ( 30 units )

Total winnings : RM 3200 ( 64 units )

System selection : S40, F2

Progression : 12345

Max Drawdown : 4 units

On shoe 5, i increase my unit value. That's why I won more at that table. Sometimes ( Shoe 4 , 6 ) i felt it was hard to achieve the target ( 10 units ) so I decided to get off.

I don't know my PA ( maybe Ellis can tell me ). So happy today.

I made my day today since my daily target is only RM400 but I managed to win RM3300 that is twice amount from my original bought in.

May the cards be with me and NOR players always!

Thank you.

Regards,

CORE

Still learning NOR

[core]

Forgot to say something

Congrats witchygal. u rock!

[witchygal]

Wow Core you did much better than me! Congrats on your win too! Let's learn together and become consistent winners!

[Guest]

i already posted this in the private forum but i thought i should post here to. I hope Ellis and Keith don't mad at me

Regards,

CORE

Still learning NOR

You rock too core and no "we don't mad at you".

You and witchygal and any other member can post in the public forum whenever you want to and say anything you want.

The fact is we don't do enough posting in the public forum. Unfortunately private members tend to forget about the public forum.

It is good to remember how it was when you were public members. You were starved for information and couldn't get enough. I get PMs daily begging for more information about BTC and NOR and what goes on in the private forum. Now you guys are private members and you KNOW what goes on. But please, remember how it was and share with the public. Don't worry about giving them too much information. Even if they have 200 IQs, they can't figure it out on their own. What they need is a good teacher. So what do you guys think? Am I a good teacher? Well then, tell them. Can they learn this stuff? Tell them. That is really what they want to know to make a decision. You made that decision. Tell them why and tell them if it worked out for you. They are just as starved for information as you were.

And they would MUCH rather hear from YOU than from me. You are not biased. They already know what I'm going to say.

Edited November 2, 2011 by Guest

[core]

You rock too core and no "we don't mad at you".

You and witchygal and any other member can post in the public forum whenever you want to and say anything you want.

The fact is we don't do enough posting in the public forum. Unfortunately private members tend to forget about the public forum.

It is good to remember how it was when you were public members. You were starved for information and couldn't get enough. I get PMs daily begging for more information about BTC and NOR and what goes on in the private forum. Now you guys are private members and you KNOW what goes on. But please, remember how it was and share with the public. Don't worry about giving them too much information. Even if they have 200 IQs, they can't figure it out on their own. What they need is a good teacher. So what do you guys think? Am I a good teacher? Well then, tell them. Can they learn this stuff? Tell them. That is really what they want to know to make a decision. You made that decision. Tell them why and tell them if it worked out for you. They are just as starved for information as you were.

And they would MUCH rather hear from YOU than from me. You are not biased. They already know what I'm going to say.

Thx ellis

Day 2

1. Tough shoe. Chop streaky chop streaky. [+ rm 1000 ]

I switched twice here. S40 - f2 - s40. It was a tough shoe but i managed to find a way out and produced some profit. Ellis, is it okay to switch twice??

2. Neutral shoes because the or count was hovering between -2 and 2. First i use f2 and switched to otbl. Bur i got the wrong perception. I thought otbl was follow the time before last. What an idiot. but produced some profit here. [+500]. i was supposed can win more.

3. Neutral to streaky. I used otbl and switched to f2. [+1000]

4. Chop. [+800]

5. Chop [+1000]

6. Neutral. I used otbl but once again i got the wrong perception. It supposed to be opposite time before last. I lose 3500 here. I hit the stop loss but didnt get up. Lack of dicipline. Idiot. After i lose, i was so pissed off. I want to make 1 bet of 3500 but i remember if i want to become a pro, that is not the way. It is a suicidal. So i decided to take a break and dinner and play as usual after dinner.

7. Streak [+2000]

8. Streak [ +1300]

Summary

Total shoes played 8

Bought in 2k

Winning 4500

Progression 12345

System selection s40, otbl, f2.

I made my day today and learn something

1. Dicipline. It costs me 3500

2. The more i play and practice, the more skillable iam. I can perform or, system selection with just seeing the toteboard. Ellis is right.

Well, nor is a very powerful system. Pls notice i am suppose to win all shoes. I suppose to win 7k. But the important thing is i learn my lesson today and i remember what ellis said. Rome wasnt built in a day.

It is so great when i walk in back to my room and know i make the day and walk as a damn fu-king winner. Oops, pardon my language. Iam so excite because with nor i made around 8k in just 2 days with only 1500 bought in in the 1st day.

Will be back tomorrow.

Cheers,

CORE

Still learning NOR

[witchygal]

Thx ellis

Day 2

1. Tough shoe. Chop streaky chop streaky. [+ rm 1000 ]

I switched twice here. S40 - f2 - s40. It was a tough shoe but i managed to find a way out and produced some profit. Ellis, is it okay to switch twice??

2. Neutral shoes because the or count was hovering between -2 and 2. First i use f2 and switched to otbl. Bur i got the wrong perception. I thought otbl was follow the time before last. What an idiot. but produced some profit here. [+500]. i was supposed can win more.

3. Neutral to streaky. I used otbl and switched to f2. [+1000]

4. Chop. [+800]

5. Chop [+1000]

6. Neutral. I used otbl but once again i got the wrong perception. It supposed to be opposite time before last. I lose 3500 here. I hit the stop loss but didnt get up. Lack of dicipline. Idiot. After i lose, i was so pissed off. I want to make 1 bet of 3500 but i remember if i want to become a pro, that is not the way. It is a suicidal. So i decided to take a break and dinner and play as usual after dinner.

7. Streak [+2000]

8. Streak [ +1300]

Summary

Total shoes played 8

Bought in 2k

Winning 4500

Progression 12345

System selection s40, otbl, f2.

I made my day today and learn something

1. Dicipline. It costs me 3500

2. The more i play and practice, the more skillable iam. I can perform or, system selection with just seeing the toteboard. Ellis is right.

Well, nor is a very powerful system. Pls notice i am suppose to win all shoes. I suppose to win 7k. But the important thing is i learn my lesson today and i remember what ellis said. Rome wasnt built in a day.

It is so great when i walk in back to my room and know i make the day and walk as a damn fu-king winner. Oops, pardon my language. Iam so excite because with nor i made around 8k in just 2 days with only 1500 bought in in the 1st day.

Will be back tomorrow.

Cheers,

CORE

Still learning NOR

Hi Core,

I think you really product fast results! Congratulations! I think we can share this thread and post our experiences with the tables but since this is in public forum, we may not want to write too much about how to play the systems. I love to read your trip reports too!

Those who are interested and serious about the game should join the private forum. Anyway to get back the membership fees is easily achievable since both of us has done it! (A pat on the back for us)

I will post some questions in the private forum and hope you can add your share of how you play. 8k in 2 days is awesome! Thank you.

[Danicito]

well done Core... congratulations!!!

thanks to both you and witchygal for sharing your Trip Reports.

one question for both... are you guys using U1D2M2 prog. in some part of the shoes?

[core]

well done Core... congratulations!!!

thanks to both you and witchygal for sharing your Trip Reports.

one question for both... are you guys using U1D2M2 prog. in some part of the shoes?

Thx danicito

I always use u1d2m2. Not sure bout witchygal

[witchygal]

well done Core... congratulations!!!

thanks to both you and witchygal for sharing your Trip Reports.

one question for both... are you guys using U1D2M2 prog. in some part of the shoes?

Hi Danicito,

I use prog 1234. To me it is easier and stress free. U1D2M2 may be a better betting system for more winnings. I will try it on my next trip.

[Guest]

Hi Danicito,

I use prog 1234. To me it is easier and stress free. U1D2M2 may be a better betting system for more winnings. I will try it on my next trip.

Well no, that is not a good idea.

First, these threads are getting too complex and detailed for the public forum so I have asked Keith to copy them to the private forum so we can continue discussion freely.

Core, you need to review the betting chapter in the thread The NOR Approach. U1D2 is too aggressive for NOR.

Your progression must always be decided by your hit rate.

Yes, if you are playing S40 as a stand alone system, because of its comparatively low hit rate you need an aggressive prog like U1D2 to compensate for a low hit rate.

But the rule is: Never be more aggressive than you have to be to win. More aggression than needed is unnecessary risk. S40 alone needs the aggression of U1D2 but once aided by NOR, NOR has a higher hit rate than S40 alone and allows us to back off to:

123 4

234

345

These progs are designed to work with our -8 stop loss as well as our NOR hit rate. A 12345 or U1D2 would require a higher stop loss and are unnecessary overkill as well as unnecessary exposure. Sure, you win more when you win but you also lose more when you lose.

The NOR progs are designed to the NOR hit rate and so is the NOR stop loss of -8.

The whole NOR thing together is a winning approach. But when you deviate, you are no longer playing a winning approach and you are taking unnecessary risks. There are very very few winning approaches to Baccarat. Winning at Baccarat CONSISTENTLY is very very elusive. Less than one tenth of one percent win consistently. NOR may well be the ONLY way.

The WORST thing that can happen is you deviate and win. Because now you'll try it again. But next time you will likely not be so lucky. Then you'll blame me. But it wasn't my fault was it. It was YOUR fault.

Stick to the program. That is what works CONSISTENTLY. Let the 99.99% losing players take the unnecessary risks. That is what they are good at.

In other words, COOL IT. Overconfidence is the biggest mistake you can make now.

Edited November 5, 2011 by Guest

[core]

Well no, that is not a good idea.

First, these threads are getting too complex and detailed for the public forum so I have asked Keith to copy them to the private forum so we can continue discussion freely.

Core, you need to review the betting chapter in the thread The NOR Approach. U1D2 is too aggressive for NOR.

Your progression must always be decided by your hit rate.

Yes, if you are playing S40 as a stand alone system, because of its comparatively low hit rate you need an aggressive prog like U1D2 to compensate for a low hit rate.

But the rule is: Never be more aggressive than you have to be to win. More aggression than needed is unnecessary risk. S40 alone needs the aggression of U1D2 but once aided by NOR, NOR has a higher hit rate than S40 alone and allows us to back off to:

123 4

234

345

These progs are designed to work with our -8 stop loss as well as our NOR hit rate. A 12345 or U1D2 would require a higher stop loss and are unnecessary overkill as well as unnecessary exposure. Sure, you win more when you win but you also lose more when you lose.

The NOR progs are designed to the NOR hit rate and so is the NOR stop loss of -8.

The whole NOR thing together is a winning approach. But when you deviate, you are no longer playing a winning approach and you are taking unnecessary risks. There are very very few winning approaches to Baccarat. Winning at Baccarat CONSISTENTLY is very very elusive. Less than one tenth of one percent win consistently. NOR may well be the ONLY way.

The WORST thing that can happen is you deviate and win. Because now you'll try it again. But next time you will likely not be so lucky. Then you'll blame me. But it wasn't my fault was it. It was YOUR fault.

Stick to the program. That is what works CONSISTENTLY. Let the 99.99% losing players take the unnecessary risks. That is what they are good at.

In other words, COOL IT. Overconfidence is the biggest mistake you can make now.

So if i lost the 4th bet, i have to bet 1 unit again right ellis? And everytime i win the bet, always back to 1. Is that right?

[Guest]

So if i lost the 4th bet, i have to bet 1 unit again right ellis? And everytime i win the bet, always back to 1. Is that right?

Right core! Heros are for real wars, not Baccarat. And I'm not even sure about wars.

Also, see that gap in the 123 4?

That means we only bet the 4 bet IF we would have won it last time. And that means we seldom make a 4 bet.

For instance, in the 6 shoes Dave recorded from play at the last seminar, I only made a 4 bet once in 6 shoes. That is how I maintained a 26% Player Advantage. High bets kill your Player Advantage and Player Advantage is your BEST performance indicator. Units won/ units bet.

I don't mean to spoil your fun but it is actually more fun to win CONSISTENTLY. DON'T go below -8 and you should seldom need to go even that far. Your avg. losing shoe should only be -6 or -7.

[Guest]

Hi Core,

I think you really product fast results! Congratulations! I think we can share this thread and post our experiences with the tables but since this is in public forum, we may not want to write too much about how to play the systems. I love to read your trip reports too!

Those who are interested and serious about the game should join the private forum. Anyway to get back the membership fees is easily achievable since both of us has done it! (A pat on the back for us)

I will post some questions in the private forum and hope you can add your share of how you play. 8k in 2 days is awesome! Thank you.

Yes, it was great play! But remember what I said. Your biggest threat now is over confidence. I don't like to rain on anyone's parade but it is my job!

[core]

Right core! Heros are for real wars, not Baccarat. And I'm not even sure about wars.

Also, see that gap in the 123 4?

That means we only bet the 4 bet IF we would have won it last time. And that means we seldom make a 4 bet.

For instance, in the 6 shoes Dave recorded from play at the last seminar, I only made a 4 bet once in 6 shoes. That is how I maintained a 26% Player Advantage. High bets kill your Player Advantage and Player Advantage is your BEST performance indicator. Units won/ units bet.

I don't mean to spoil your fun but it is actually more fun to win CONSISTENTLY. DON'T go below -8 and you should seldom need to go even that far. Your avg. losing shoe should only be -6 or -7.

Ellis what do u mean by IF we would have won it last time? Dont understand

[fluppocinonys]

Great work there witchygal, I always enjoy seeing people wining money out of casinos for obvious reasons: they are evil in disguised.

But I'd like to share with you my little experience. I joined this forum a year ago and bought the S40 membership as soon as it was released. I went through the learning curve as well as witnessing all the modifications by Sir Ellis in an attempt to fine tune it. I must say he's definitely an intelligent guru and extremely patient towards his fellow members be it experts or beginners. I felt the money was well spent based solely on this fact. At least there's someone to comfort me on those bad days right... haha.

So how did I do? Not very well I must admit. I don't blame Ellis and BTC though, despite my efforts in practicing table selection, OR count, SAP charts, lose limits and personal experiences from Ellis (such as morning new card preps and the history of previous shoes), the trend in RWS is simply too unpredictable. It fluctuates so often one simply loses the confidence to continue. You'd be extremely lucky to find a shoe that presents consistent bias. Perhaps S40 isn't really RWS-friendly. I did ask for help via the posts in private forum, although fellow members were kind enough to cheer me up which I was grateful, most of the answers and advises I received were simply to "look for a biased shoe". I felt they had missed my points. I distant myself from this forum 2 months later in disappointment. It wasn't until recently I revisited this once familiar forum from an email informing me the latest creation from Ellis, the NOR.

The shoes you selected were extremely rare, witchygal. In fact, they are so rare it'd attract large crowd in no time, and basic chop methods could easily beat it. I too had those lucky days and they are indeed some of my most glorious moment. As time goes on, you'd notice majority of the shoes are in fact not so favorable. As Ellis has always said, don't be carried away by these successful days for you'd soon find yourself in predicament if discipline is not exercised.

Perhaps we should play together and exchange our views.

As for NOR, I suspect it would be too different from S40 and that's the reason I'm still observing. After all, I've paid USD230 for S40, I don't think it's worth to pay another USD600 for a similar approach.