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Hi Guys,

I will make NOR CAMP GENTING this year.

This is a gathering event where all NOR players will share, play, have fun together.

There will be lots of pros here. WG ( NOR Singapore ), D ( Modified Maverick Master ), and many more.

We will play live together for 28 days. Stay at first world for 28 days. if you want to be a pro, this is the time. Living in the devil's house for 1 month.

The reason i make this camp because I always like to see other pros playing, their MM, their skills, etc. it will enrich my knowledge. Of course, u can see me playing too. We play together right??

I am not sure when. Just want to know if you guys interesting with this kind of event or not.

If you like this event, reply.

WE SHALL LIVE AND DIE TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE :) ( Maybe I should delete the word DIE lol )

Regards,

CORE

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Hello Core,

Your Camp is great!

If all of us play together their will be very benefit for all of us! I

am interested in it....!

Sounds really interesting. I'm not sure what it is like at the GENTING, but if you were here in the States, likely after a day or two of you all applying a BTC beatdown to the casino. They are going to have to close a few tables. HA!

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Core-

Would love to come there someday...played a number of times in the "old" macau, before sands, etc...I AM SURE GENTING/ Singapore IS DIFFERENT BUT FROM LOOKING AT IT ONLINE, LOOKS LIKE A BLAST

Last week I played with another BTC member over in Biloxi, MS. and thee are definitely some advantages to discussing strategy/BS/MM etc. BTW, my friend Bill milked NOR for all it was worth and ended one shoe up 25 or 26 units at one casino, and when we went down the street we could not "buy" a correct bet! Ha!

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The vagaries of this game! By the way, I saw in the paper today that Baccarat made more money for Vegas casinos in the last year than Blackjack...1.27 billion to 1.03 billion. 258 total tables vs 2,810 tables. Stay tough my friends.

Bill

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are you that guy on TV ( "the most interesting man in the world" ) who always closes his commercials with the line:

stay thirsty, my friends...

just thinking...

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The vagaries of this game! By the way, I saw in the paper today that Baccarat made more money for Vegas casinos in the last year than Blackjack...1.27 billion to 1.03 billion. 258 total tables vs 2,810 tables. Stay tough my friends.

Bill

Thanks Bill and BTW, you do look a little like that thirsty guy. The more you look at that statistic the more impossible it seems. Until you throw in the fact that Baccarat players play backwards. I think it tends to prove my point.

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I never did comment on core's NOR flat bet approach for Genting.

Recognize that when you flat bet, you MUST have an overall hit rate above 50% to win. NOR has the highest hit rate I have ever seen especially if you add SAP to it.

Another defense when Modes simply aren't working is to stay in Mode 2 and play a 12345 prog on your OTR bets only. That is probably what I would do. Because if Modes aren't working neither will SAP. Now interchaging Modes actually helps you rather than hurt you.

And yet another defense is to skip your OTR bets altogether and wait for the run to end. But then continue your prog.

There is always a way.

That card prep room core describes is a little disconcerting. I see no difference between that and factory preshuffled.

I like to know for a fact that all the cards are there and I prefer that whatever happens to them happens at the table under my watchful eyes.

I've just seen too much blatant casino cheating in my day. When there is money on the table I don't trust anybody.

Then we see that statistic that Bill posted!

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This is the first draft of the camp. I will revise it later

Each camper pay 2k rm for 2 weeks room and only allow to use 2500rm for bank roll [100 units]. No cc, debit card, atm are allowed in my camp! Leave them at your house.

Day 1 : i will test each campers to perform s40 and otbl virtually. They have to do it super fast. Timing is important. Then i will teach my modified nor with flat betting. After dat, i will play, campers only watch n learn.

Day 2-11 : we will play together

Day 12-13 : the final test. Each camper will play one by one.

Day 14 : you pass the camp and sayonara.

Please note that campers come to genting not for just play play play the whole day. My method is a semi hit and run. So we will have lots of time to enjoy the time. We play, eat, n boogie. It will be fun. Play the whole day will make you boring, stress, and will encounter losses too. I will teach u to make money not for donating money

This is only the first draft. I will revise later.

Regards,

Core

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This is the first draft of the camp. I will revise it later

Each camper pay 2k rm for 2 weeks room and only allow to use 2500rm for bank roll [100 units]. No cc, debit card, atm are allowed in my camp! Leave them at your house.

How many rm in a $US?

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Hi Core,

I've been in Singapore one time, but it was a long time ago.

Regarding your Camp in Genting, it looks very interesting. Can you tell us how much in US Dollars we have to spend, including room and meals, and gambling?

When do plan to do it?

Maybe you can give us some more details on everything.

Thanks.

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Hii finas,

For playing and room need about 1500usd. For eating, its up to u. The total cost is about 2500. But its up to u. For playing, only 100 units. No more than dat

My method produces 5 units daily. Dats it. No more than dat. Looks like so little. But if you can produce 5 units daily consistently, u can double or triple ur bankroll in a month.

My method cant produce many units because i use flat betting. But is safer than original nor. Max drawdown i ever encountered in a shoe only -5. Usually average about -2 to -3 only.

Ellis is right. My method produce a hit rate above around 75%.

When i played pure nor, if i lose 1 and have to bet 2, the pressure went up. Everytime u increase ur bet, the casino has edge on you.

But if i flat betting. If i lose, i will say to my self, okk this time you win, let`s see who win the next bet. Do you the difference? The emotion doesnt control me anymore, i play so free, relax. No sweat.

Of course everyone here can produce 5 units easily. The question is, can you produce it consistently??

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Well, this is a hard call for me. NOR allows for flat betting and several have attempted it. But core would be the first to ever stick with it. Other members have attempted to splinter off flat bet groups but none have been successful.

If you, in fact, have an average 75% hit rate, a 123 4 prog will win a lot more than flat betting in the long run. Simple arithmetic.

But core is right about one thing for sure. Flat betting IS less stressful, even when you lose.

I just can't picture anyone continuing to flat bet with a 75% hit rate. Not for long.

They don't build race cars with a single gear, do they. Sooner or later the driver is going to say "put some gears in this damn thing!"

I like the idea of matching my betting aggression to the quality of the shoe. Sometimes this keeps you in the flat bet Mode. But more often it doesn't. The occassional +30 makes up for a lot of -4s. I like the idea of flat betting when you are losing which NOR normally does. But to me, flat betting when you are winning is a tragedy. But to each his own.

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How about if in the 25% you hit 4 losses in a row?? Minus 10. Dats what i want to avoid. 1234 is a semi martingale. Any form of increasing bet will lose in the long run. I rather use flat bet.

It is up to members here to choose their progression. We have options. Anyway, i still use nor. Just modify it a little bit.

I have nothing against nor. I only disagree with the normal progression. 123 or 1234. I understand u solve this problem with putting a -8 stop loss. But in the real environment, if you lose 4 in a row, everything can happen, maybe all in to recoup losses. Because if u lose 4 in a row, u will get high. Emotion increase. Discipline is cracked.

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Ellis did you mean NOR normally does lose? Lol ^_^

Ha, no, I mean the instructions usually keep you flat betting when you are losing early on. And if you begin losing later, your captures usually keep you from losing the shoe.

We don't sit there and blindly bet a 123 4. We hardly ever bet 4. In the 6 PA shoes I only had 1 4 bet.

Sure, if core loses 3 bets he is down only -3 but, it is hard to make up for -3 flat betting. He must now win 3 more bets than he loses just to break even.

Yes , if I lose a 123 I'm down -6 for those 3 bets but not for the shoe because I wouldn't bet a 123 unless I'm up to begin with. So I'm down maybe -4 max. I can make that up by winning 4 first OR SECOND bets. I can make that up W/O having to win more bets that I lose like cor must do.

If I lose a 1,2 and win a 3 I'm even for those 3 bets. core is down -1.

If I lose the 1,2 and win the 3 five times I'm even although I only won 1/3 of my bets. core is at -5 with little hope of getting even.

If I lose the 1 and win the 2 ten times, I already hit my goal of +10 even though I only won half my bets. core is at 0.

You know, nearly all new players think that flat betting is the safest way to play. But is it? core MUST win more than half his bets to win. He MUST win bets in a row to win at all. I don't like putting myself in that position - too risky. I can beat a shoe very satisfactory W/O ever winning bets in a row.

Sure, if you maintain or even average a 75% hit rate (which is virtually impossible) you will win flat betting. No question. It is just that you would have won a whole lot more progressive betting. But it takes a while to figure that out.

You know, everybody thinks they were the first to discover flat betting. It has been around for centuries. So far, it has produced no winners. Maybe core will be the first.

BK tried it a year or so ago. A few went with him down that road. They all came back and we never heard from BK again.

I tried to tell those guys too. But they insisted on finding out the hard way.

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How about if in the 25% you hit 4 losses in a row?? Minus 10. Dats what i want to avoid. 1234 is a semi martingale. Any form of increasing bet will lose in the long run. I rather use flat bet.

It is up to members here to choose their progression. We have options. Anyway, i still use nor. Just modify it a little bit.

I have nothing against nor. I only disagree with the normal progression. 123 or 1234. I understand u solve this problem with putting a -8 stop loss. But in the real environment, if you lose 4 in a row, everything can happen, maybe all in to recoup losses. Because if u lose 4 in a row, u will get high. Emotion increase. Discipline is cracked.

Be my guest core. If I were forced to flat bet, I would play NOR too because I've never seen a higher hit rate. But no one is forcing you. That is a high price to pay just for comfort. Just recognize that if you lose 4 bets flat betting black, you are down $400. The progressive bettor playing green is only down $250. But the progressive bettor is going to see many +20 and +30 unit shoes. You won't. Who is really playing at the higher risk?

I can't even remember the last time I lost a 1234. You talk as if it happens every shoe.

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Hiii uncle,

You talk with â€ifâ€. I can do that too

If i lose 2 in a row, iam in -2 and you in -3

If i lose 3 in a row, iam in -3 and you in -6

If i lose 4 in a row, iam in -4 and you in -10

Of course you will say, i seldom bet 3 or 4. But in the games, you have to bet 3 and 4. I know u will wait first. Sap, previous history, etc. After dat you will bet the 3 or 4. The question is, what about if the shoes make fun of you and resulting of 4 losses in a row or maybe more? You will be in a deep hole right? But of course limit the losses to -8 only. Meanwhile, i will only encounter only -2 or -3 units only. So, which one is riskier then? We are talking about the worst possibilities here.

I am not debating ur nor, once again, i play nor. And i know nor from you. I just see ur progression from the worst side.

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Hiii uncle,

You talk with â€ifâ€. I can do that too

If i lose 2 in a row, iam in -2 and you in -3

If i lose 3 in a row, iam in -3 and you in -6

If i lose 4 in a row, iam in -4 and you in -10

Of course you will say, i seldom bet 3 or 4. But in the games, you have to bet 3 and 4. I know u will wait first. Sap, previous history, etc. After dat you will bet the 3 or 4. The question is, what about if the shoes make fun of you and resulting of 4 losses in a row or maybe more? You will be in a deep hole right? But of course limit the losses to -8 only. Meanwhile, i will only encounter only -2 or -3 units only. So, which one is riskier then? We are talking about the worst possibilities here.

I am not debating ur nor, once again, i play nor. And i know nor from you. I just see ur progression from the worst side.

Well said core and you are consistently right. And ha, everybody sees progs from the fearful side at first.

I see you are going to try this no matter what I say. All I can do is wish you luck.

True, No one has ever consistently won flat betting before. But, on the other hand, they weren't playing NOR.

Hey, I wish you the best! I would LOVE for you to make it possible for me to advertise that "Hey, it even wins flat betting!"

So I'm really hoping you do well!

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Thx ellis. Btw i just saw keith`s shoe. -27 units. Keith is the founder of btc and still lose 5 in a row TWICE in 1 shoe. How u explain dat? If i play that shoe, i will never get to -27. High risk high return, low risk low return

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Thx ellis. Btw i just saw keith`s shoe. -27 units. Keith is the founder of btc and still lose 5 in a row TWICE in 1 shoe. How u explain dat? If i play that shoe, i will never get to -27. High risk high return, low risk low return

Right and sometimes high risk, no return. Don't judge us by what Keith does. I think he is just funning us with $5 play.

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It was screwing with 5 dollar units but it isn't where you are in the middle of the game that counts, it where you are at the end of the day.

You can tell the winners and honest players by how many times they admit they lost 
not by how many times they say they won.

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Yes , if I lose a 123 I'm down -6 for those 3 bets but not for the shoe because I wouldn't bet a 123 unless I'm up to begin with. So I'm down maybe -4 max. I can make that up by winning 4 first OR SECOND bets. I can make that up W/O having to win more bets that I lose like cor must do.

Hi Ellis,

Can you explain on the above money management rule with regards to the below scenarios:

1) If i am currently up +2 but lose the next two bets which make me down to -1, will you go for the 3rd unit bet, assuming betting progression 123 4?

2) If i am never up (highest is 0 unit, meaning i lose 1 play and win one play in the beginning), will you continue the betting progression 123 4 or will you only use 12 betting progression?

Regards

Kelvin

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Hi Ellis,

Can you explain on the above money management rule with regards to the below scenarios:

1) If i am currently up +2 but lose the next two bets which make me down to -1, will you go for the 3rd unit bet, assuming betting progression 123 4?

2) If i am never up (highest is 0 unit, meaning i lose 1 play and win one play in the beginning), will you continue the betting progression 123 4 or will you only use 12 betting progression?

Regards

Kelvin

Hi Kelvin, excellent questions!

Both of these signify a struggling shoe. I'm maybe not going to get out yet but neither am I going to make a 3 bet. I would likely go 1 OTR in both cases. But if these occurred later in the shoe I would get out at +1. I seldom make a 3 bet that could put me down more than -1. You like to see a few 1,2 hits. You don't want to be making 3 bets right off the bat.

I seldom even stay in to -8. My average losing shoe is more like -3 or -4. The only time I might cheat is if no other table is available. Even then, I'll likely go look for a good BJ game.

Remember, we are looking for tables we can EASILY beat, not tables we can POSSIBLY beat.

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