Help on a shoe from hell

[bac-cracker]

I would like to know if there is anyway around a 5 iar into singles for otb. You will see in the show I am +7 at hand 17 with 1 unit bets

B214113125

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You can see that the 5 iar into a 1111 was pretty killer as I went OTR on hand 21 and then switched back to OTB when it failed, then another 3 bets lost.

Anyhow, it looks easy after the fact as it goes into singles from hands 20-40, then it goes back to otb.

I mean if you want to do an 8 bet, then of course you can still come up, but that wouldn't of happened.

Also if you planned on switching to s40 around early 20s, you then are faced with the 5iar and a lost 3 bet which wouldn't be good as well.

Thanks all

[Edgonsal]

I would like to know if there is anyway around a 5 iar into singles for otb. You will see in the show I am +7 at hand 17 with 1 unit bets

B214113125

11112511111121

231435

You can see that the 5 iar into a 1111 was pretty killer as I went OTR on hand 21 and then switched back to OTB when it failed, then another 3 bets lost.

Anyhow, it looks easy after the fact as it goes into singles from hands 20-40, then it goes back to otb.

I mean if you want to do an 8 bet, then of course you can still come up, but that wouldn't of happened.

Also if you planned on switching to s40 around early 20s, you then are faced with the 5iar and a lost 3 bet which wouldn't be good as well.

Thanks all

Hey kileau,

ALL SHOES always look easy after the fact. It's what we do at the table that counts.

How soon did you start betting in this shoe?

OTB does look good in the first seven hands.

However, after the first 12 hands - you had three 1's (MC), one 2, one 3 and one 4. I would be thinking S40M1 (TBL) here.

In your first twenty plays you only had two 2's which - you still win 2 bets in your 4iar, 2 bets in your 3iar and 3 bets in your 5iar.

Your next 21hands - had only two 2's again. Still strong for S40M1.

Your next 19 hands had only one 2. S40M1 is for low 2's only 5 in your whole shoe.

The other point to always consider is when to go OTR in OTB - its always your option to go OTR (for one bet only) after 2 losses in a row (rather than three) if that's what the shoe is showing you.

If you keep S40M1 in mind - you should have an easier time.

[PeterUK]

Yes, I thought S40M1, low 2's... Would have caught those long iar's

[Wendel]

I would like to know if there is anyway around a 5 iar into singles for otb. You will see in the show I am +7 at hand 17 with 1 unit bets

B214113125

11112511111121

231435

You can see that the 5 iar into a 1111 was pretty killer as I went OTR on hand 21 and then switched back to OTB when it failed, then another 3 bets lost.

Anyhow, it looks easy after the fact as it goes into singles from hands 20-40, then it goes back to otb.

I mean if you want to do an 8 bet, then of course you can still come up, but that wouldn't of happened.

Also if you planned on switching to s40 around early 20s, you then are faced with the 5iar and a lost 3 bet which wouldn't be good as well.

Thanks all

Early in a shoe, particularly when I am still playing with my own money, I won't make the 3 bet and watch to see how it turns out,

sacrificing 3 units . In this case the negative o/r indicates a mode 2 bet and i would have lost the whole shoe.

In the casino where I play frequently a 5 iar follows a 4 iar and vice versa (lately at least), so I might not be confident

switching modes at the next 4 iar and watch that one too.

But, we are in your casino, so if your experience is the same as mine you might watch this one too. (how many of these can there be ?)

or remain in mode 2 (the o/r count is still negative) or play this one in mode 1.

In any case if we get by the 5 iar , I think we are justified in playing the remainder of the shoe in mode 1 for straight and zz runs

for a modest win, since we have 2 4 or mores and no 3 iars for straight run and have lost 2 2 bets on zz runs.

I would quit at play 40 with a + 10.

As somebody mentioned earlier, this is easy on paper, but I have tried hard to remain honest in representing how I might play it.

[Wendel]

Early in a shoe, particularly when I am still playing with my own money, I won't make the 3 bet and watch to see how it turns out,

sacrificing 3 units . In this case the negative o/r indicates a mode 2 bet and i would have lost the whole shoe.

In the casino where I play frequently a 5 iar follows a 4 iar and vice versa (lately at least), so I might not be confident

switching modes at the next 4 iar and watch that one too.

But, we are in your casino, so if your experience is the same as mine you might watch this one too. (how many of these can there be ?)

or remain in mode 2 (the o/r count is still negative) or play this one in mode 1.

In any case if we get by the 5 iar , I think we are justified in playing the remainder of the shoe in mode 1 for straight and zz runs

for a modest win, since we have 2 4 or mores and no 3 iars for straight run and have lost 2 2 bets on zz runs.

I would quit at play 40 with a + 10.

As somebody mentioned earlier, this is easy on paper, but I have tried hard to remain honest in representing how I might play it.

PS

1. Was this a 6deck shoe or a partial 8deck shoe ?

2 . I am playing OTB4l U1D2

3. This shoe didn't qualify for mode 1 on zz's until after play 26 so I played

21 B1 second otr from 17 -20

22 P1

23 B2

24 P3

25 P4 OTR

26 P2

[Norm A]

I would like to know if there is anyway around a 5 iar into singles for otb. You will see in the show I am +7 at hand 17 with 1 unit bets

B214113125

11112511111121

231435

You can see that the 5 iar into a 1111 was pretty killer as I went OTR on hand 21 and then switched back to OTB when it failed, then another 3 bets lost.

Anyhow, it looks easy after the fact as it goes into singles from hands 20-40, then it goes back to otb.

I mean if you want to do an 8 bet, then of course you can still come up, but that wouldn't of happened.

Also if you planned on switching to s40 around early 20s, you then are faced with the 5iar and a lost 3 bet which wouldn't be good as well.

Thanks all

I played the shoe by just following the shoe, for the most part this was a strong sided shoe for banker.

I scored a+ 15 at hand 58

Just playing 12,12,12 Prog.

I am walking out the door right now to catch a flight to Mississippi to go to the Casino.

So I will not be available to respond to anything else.

NormA

[moneybac]

good luck in mississippi

[PeterUK]

How do you play 12, 12, 12 Prog? Thanks.

Peter

[Norm A]

How do you play 12, 12, 12 Prog? Thanks.

Peter

First never make a 2 unit bet until you win a 1 Unit bet.

After you win 1 unit start your Prog with a 2 unit bet. All 1s go to 2 and all 2s go to 1

You never make a 3 unit bet.

When you lose two bets iar ( 1,2 or 21) you start flat betting with 1 unit till you win, then back to the 12 Prog. as above in red.

Never make a 2 unit bet if your score is -2 or more, flat bet till you get your score up to at least a 0 or -1.

If you lose 3 bets iar stop and wait till you have 1 or 2 paper wins or you see a good signal to start betting again.

If you lose 2 bets after getting back in it is probably time to quit the shoe and find another one..

I very seldom lose more then 4 or 5 units in a shoe, that is my stop loss.

Note: if the shoe is exceptionally good and your score is high you could increase your Prog to a 23.

[bac-cracker]

Thanks all for replying. I don't know what happened to my reply, but I thanked you before.

I just recently bought the 4D s40m1 and understand it a bit more and see how it does work well for this shoe. I was playing it wrong all a long.