Users ECD Posted January 18, 2014 Users Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 80 successive shoes without a single losing shoe... only 7 losing shoes out of 200 (highest Loss ...7 units DAMMIT ) Highest bet...2 Units I am the Casino's worst nightmare...spawned not of woman...but in the bowels of BTC and the evil machinations of the mind of Morpheus (Ellis) and under the guidance of Obi-Wan (Norm) and the other Jedi Knights ...Kevin...PJ.. Way2fast and others (YEAH...I know...different movie)...I have become invincible. No longer do I need "Table selection"...I can anticipate the turns of the shoe...it's every move...I sense the frustration in the shoe as we move as one. It fears me Why do the jabbering idiots at my table want to question me...mere mortals...Do they not realise who I am? I am NEO I am the "Chosen One"? I am OZ err...Don't mind me...I've had a particularly good couple of weeks (as if you haven't guessed) and I'm still drunk on the euphoria of what I have become...Thanks to my training...I have joined the new breed of BACCARAT PLAYER I am still shaking my head with my new found belief in my skills I honestly believe that I can't be beaten Thanks to BTC ...I have a totally new "Bucket List" I will set my kids up with no mortgage...and enough so that they still need to work...but never have to struggle as I did... And then I am set to travel to each of the major Casinos in Australia...and then travel the Casinos of the world milking as much as I can from those thieving bastards that have made so many lives a total misery...and the millions that I make (how's that for confidence?) will all go into any research of any horrid disease that is killing our children. BTC has changed me...for the better ...I think Oz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Hey Oz - don't hold anything back. Tell us how you really feel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 18, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Hey Oz - don't hold anything back. Tell us how you really feel!Why are you talking to me?Are you on your knees paying homage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 80! Probably a new world record! So what are you averaging? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Sounds like I should join you for a session......if I am worthy. Quote "Be The Shoe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 19, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 80! Probably a new world record! So what are you averaging?Around +12 including any losing shoes...but I very rarely complete a shoe...I stick to the "Half Decade" rule which gets me out of most shoes early.Mostly...I am out of the shoe by 40 hands...sometimes a lot less.It may not be a high average...but after playing well over 200 shoes, I can't help but be reasonably confident Everything I do...is what I've been taught here...with just my own spin on it.Interesting to note that my first 30 shoes only averaged +9.6 (don't ask why I broke it up into 30 shoe increments...simply because I have 30 lines on the pages of my pad...LOL)My next 30 shoes averaged 12.1My next 30 shoes averaged 13.2 My next 30 shoes averaged 13.4Curiously...my average in my last 80 shoes dropped back to just under 12 Units...but I suspect that is because as I refined the way I played...I was less likely to win big...but far less likely to loseEverything I do is on the Forum...and I'll run it by you when I answer your PM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 19, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Sounds like I should join you for a session......if I am worthy.I see that you understand my warped sense of humour...LOLPretty much I want to run this all past Ellis so he can dot the i's and cross the t'sIt's worked so far...it doesn't require "table selection" ...I sit down at the start of any shoe and enter the shoe at Play 3 and let the shoe tell me what to do...which is what NOR teaches us....except I don't bother with the OR countI never bet higher than 2 Units...NEVERAnd it is as near to a mechanical system as you can get...though the rules I play are a little complex at first reading methinksI know that I've been kidding around in this thread...but the truth is that I kept waiting for it to fail...but after over 200 shoes I've gotta think that I'm doing something rightThat's enough info for this Thread...I probably should keep the rest for the Private ForumOz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkValefor Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 are you using quart system too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Around +12 including any losing shoes...but I very rarely complete a shoe...I stick to the "Half Decade" rule which gets me out of most shoes early.Mostly...I am out of the shoe by 40 hands...sometimes a lot less.It may not be a high average...but after playing well over 200 shoes, I can't help but be reasonably confident Everything I do...is what I've been taught here...with just my own spin on it.Interesting to note that my first 30 shoes only averaged +9.6 (don't ask why I broke it up into 30 shoe increments...simply because I have 30 lines on the pages of my pad...LOL)My next 30 shoes averaged 12.1My next 30 shoes averaged 13.2 My next 30 shoes averaged 13.4Curiously...my average in my last 80 shoes dropped back to just under 12 Units...but I suspect that is because as I refined the way I played...I was less likely to win big...but far less likely to loseEverything I do is on the Forum...and I'll run it by you when I answer your PM.+12 2Hi is awesome. Even SAP, my first truly winning system, which some still play, only averaged +6 playing 2Hi over 300 casino shoes. You are doing twice that.Ha, other forums said +6 2Hi was impossible - literally calling us all liars. They will freak out over +12. But then those forums seem to be fading out. Ha, I wonder why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quizzical1 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Yes Oz,Since most of my shoes are played from the beginning, you have definitely piqued my curiousity! I've been using NOR for 2 months now (to the day) and have since dropped the OR count in favor of visually reviewing the shoe for 1's, 2's etc to determine what system I should be in.Here's hoping I'm worthy of your method LOL.... Quote Regards,Glenn"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration...do your homework" Thomas A. Edison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I've been using NOR for 2 months now (to the day) and have since dropped the OR count in favor of visually reviewing the shoe for 1's, 2's etc to determine what system I should be in.Hmmm...Sounds a bit like SAP now, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 19, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Yes Oz,Since most of my shoes are played from the beginning, you have definitely piqued my curiousity! I've been using NOR for 2 months now (to the day) and have since dropped the OR count in favor of visually reviewing the shoe for 1's, 2's etc to determine what system I should be in.Here's hoping I'm worthy of your method LOL....I'm just running the whole method that I'm using... by EllisI don't want to give anyone a bum steer.I pretty much do everything that I've been taught here...I just swapped things around someOz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quizzical1 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm just running the whole method that I'm using... by EllisI don't want to give anyone a bum steer.I pretty much do everything that I've been taught here...I just swapped things around someOzGotcha!If Ellis gives it the ok, I'd sure like to see it if you don't mind sharing. Quote Regards,Glenn"Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration...do your homework" Thomas A. Edison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 19, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Gotcha!If Ellis gives it the ok, I'd sure like to see it if you don't mind sharing.If Ellis gives it the tick of approval...I'll be happy to share...LOLThat's what this place is all about.Oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm A Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 If Ellis gives it the tick of approval...I'll be happy to share...LOLThat's what this place is all about.OzPerhaps you can get to use your new scanner. LOL Quote Norm A FOLLOW THE SHOE WHEN IN DOUBT WAIT IT OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramden Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Cadillac Job Oz!!Keep up the good work!i wonder if you wouldnt mind talking about how you approach thehalf decade stop win? Especially after just the first five chips profit.Are you strict every time, etc?Norm, I would appreciate your input also as we all stick to very low unit bets. This is an area which isa constant pita for me as I am usually up from the start of most shoes.A response in the private forum would be good too.Thank you both!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 19, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Perhaps you can get to use your new scanner. LOLYour sense of humour is as warped as my own...Bad Norm...LOLI used it for the first time last night and scanned a hand written invoice and emailed it to a client...OK...The truth is that my wife scanned it...but I watched...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 19, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Kramden...Norm is the one who got me onto the 2H staking system...and I definitely never go below zero if I have reached +5but like you say...any further observations should be in the Private ForumBTW...I've played another 4 shoes since...and I'm approaching 90 shoes without loss.If I hit a 100...Do I get a prize?...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramden Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Thanks OZ!If you have any more to say I will watch the "other side".I guess your prize might be "financial security".(one of the most elusive prizes in the world) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 If Ellis gives it the tick of approval...I'll be happy to share...LOLThat's what this place is all about.OzYes, absolutely. Those are the best results in the history of Baccarat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2014 Report Share Posted January 19, 2014 Hmmm...Sounds a bit like SAP now, doesn't it?That is what I thought before I saw it. But I assure you it is not, even though it is 2Hi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 21, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Oz, I'm away just a few days from the forum and look at what I miss (especially all the follow on discussion in the private forum)!! Great results Oz. Using the teachings of Ellis, great ideas from Norm and a few things I have picked up from others here or worked out on my own, I have gone over a year now without a loosing trip -- but no where near the shoe success rate you are acheiving. You have been putting in the time and now reaping the rewards -- way to go!! Time to think about large units!80 successive shoes without a single losing shoe... only 7 losing shoes out of 200 (highest Loss ...7 units DAMMIT )Highest bet...2 UnitsI am the Casino's worst nightmare...spawned not of woman...but in the bowels of BTC and the evil machinations of the mind of Morpheus (Ellis) and under the guidance of Obi-Wan (Norm) and the other Jedi Knights ...Kevin...PJ.. Way2fast and others (YEAH...I know...different movie)...I have become invincible.No longer do I need "Table selection"...I can anticipate the turns of the shoe...it's every move...I sense the frustration in the shoe as we move as one.It fears meWhy do the jabbering idiots at my table want to question me...mere mortals...Do they not realise who I am?I am NEO I am the "Chosen One"?I am OZerr...Don't mind me...I've had a particularly good couple of weeks (as if you haven't guessed) and I'm still drunk on the euphoria of what I have become...Thanks to my training...I have joined the new breed of BACCARAT PLAYERI am still shaking my head with my new found belief in my skillsI honestly believe that I can't be beatenThanks to BTC ...I have a totally new "Bucket List"I will set my kids up with no mortgage...and enough so that they still need to work...but never have to struggle as I did...And then I am set to travel to each of the major Casinos in Australia...and then travel the Casinos of the world milking as much as I can from those thieving bastards that have made so many lives a total misery...and the millions that I make (how's that for confidence?) will all go into any research of any horrid disease that is killing our children.BTC has changed me...for the better ...I thinkOz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Users ECD Posted January 22, 2014 Author Users Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Oz, I'm away just a few days from the forum and look at what I miss (especially all the follow on discussion in the private forum)!! Great results Oz. Using the teachings of Ellis, great ideas from Norm and a few things I have picked up from others here or worked out on my own, I have gone over a year now without a loosing trip -- but no where near the shoe success rate you are acheiving. You have been putting in the time and now reaping the rewards -- way to go!! Time to think about large units!It's easy to be wise in retrospect... If I was using Norm size units...I would own my own casino by now.Tell you what though...if I had my own Casino...every BTC member would be banned...LOL (at least from Baccarat and Blackjack) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 It's easy to be wise in retrospect... If I was using Norm size units...I would own my own casino by now.Tell you what though...if I had my own Casino...every BTC member would be banned...LOL (at least from Baccarat and Blackjack)Well there is always the bar where I'm sure you would give us free drinks.To the general public:If you follow Baccarat at all on the internet. I'm sure by now you have heard of 1000 shoes tests and 10,000 shoe tests. You may be wondering about the voracity of 200 shoes with a 96% win rate even though these 200 shoes were played with both regular cards as well as preshuffled cards in casino.1000 and 10,000 shoe tests are great for proving that Finobaci and Martingale type progressions are, in the long run, at best, break even plus commission. All mechanical systems are break even + 5% commission. And all systems you find elsewhere on the internet are mechanical and, at best, break even.We, therefore, at BTC, don't teach mechanical systems. How much you bet makes no difference and progressions alone cannot make you a winner. What makes you a winner is consistently betting on the right side more often than you bet on the wrong side. THAT is what we teach. Which side has the most advantage this next play. And we are very successful at that. While the normal game odds dictate that you will bet on the right side half the time, in the long run, we pride ourselves in consistently hitting a 55 - 60% "hit rate". THAT is how you win and that is how you win consistently. From there, then how much you win is determined by how much you bet. We have players that play at $5 units and those who play at $5000 units. Once you are playing a side selection system vs a betting system it takes far fewer test shoes to prove your results. Your results won't change muck after 40 shoes. For instance, we taught the first winning Baccarat system ever a few years back called SAP. It was what we call a 2Hi system meaning we never bet more than 2 units. The first 40 casino shoes averaged +6 never wavering far from +6. But the first 300 casino shoes also averaged +6 never wavering far from +6. Do you get my point?There were a few great systems in between like NOR and NOR+ but now we have the Oz system. It is also a 2Hi system but is averaging +12 units per shoe. P.A. is Player Advantage - The same as ROI: Money won / money bet. It is the very best measurement of casino performance.To give you an idea, BJ card counting is all about achieving a 1/2 % P.A. Yep, all those BJ sites and all those card counting movies were about achieving a 1/2 % PA. Hell, we tip more than that!SAP achieved a 7% PA - Yep 14 TIMES what card counters attemt to achieve but never seem to make it. 7% was already a world gaming record!We still teach NOR and NOR+ which average a 12% PANow we are teaching the Oz system we call 3D96. It is averaging a 20% PA. We have no competitors in our league. The rest of the world is still trying to achieve a 1/2% PA and they haven't made it thus far.Would you prefer to learn from them? Or from us?Talk to any BTC member. They'll tell you the truth! Most of our competitors have folded their tent....As they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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