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A good question to ponder. 
Blackjack has always been attractive to professional players and ‘team play’ due to the mathematical advantage afforded through card counting.  In a 6 deck blackjack game there are 312 cards, and each card has a corresponding value.  Small cards have a +ve value and large cards (pictures and 10’s) will have a minus or -ve value. 7, 8, 9’s are normally classed as neutral and have a value of zero. In play, you are looking for a higher +ve count, which indicate more small cards have come out in play, leaving more ‘high value cards’ in the deck, thus more opportunity to be dealt a hand of 20 for example.  A half to 1 or more decks will be cut before play commences.  You have to play every hand, so accurate card counting will provide you will opportunities to increase your bet and win.  There are so many variables applied to serious team play ranging from altered card values to shuffle tracking, so as to identify where ‘high card value’ clumps are within the deck, and then bet accordingly.  
The single most important difference with blackjack and baccarat relates to ‘card value’.  In blackjack the picture card has a value of 10 points, so 2 x 10’s will give you 20, which is in most all cases a winning hand.  In ‘baccarat’ the picture card and 10’s have a value of zero.  Card counting is not effective in baccarat IMO, although there are many books and theories that have a different opinion.  Baccarat is normally played with 8 decks, another disadvantage to card counting in baccarat. 
Kevin has developed 4D/5D which IMO is the equivalent of ‘card counting’ (bias) in baccarat.  Just as ‘card counting’ in blackjack is hard work to get back a low percentage profit, the same applies to 4D/5D.  Kevin has stated on more than 1 occasion that the majority of people will not do the work.  The casinos are only interested in ‘consistent’ winners.  Thousands of ‘wanna be’ card counters lose all their money and more.  4D/5D players can follow down this track also if the work is not put in. 
BTC Suite 7D offers a fantastic tool to use with 4D/5D, and with practice be able to identify the biases that happen in 66% of  shoes.  As we know some shoes cannot be beaten by any type of system/method. 
XDN’s new labelling combined with the ‘hot’ bars will help identify possible biases quickly, so you will have more time for analysis and bet selection. 
Players being players of course, will start to look for short cuts and less work to do, so getting familiar with and understanding what 7D is telling us, will be important in our final bet selection. 
Aiming for 2-3 units with 7D looks to be a very attractive proposition. 
A book published (limited and controlled) many years ago called ‘Advanced Baccarat’ by John Cunningham, talked about ‘team play’ in baccarat.  Members of the team would sit at different baccarat tables waiting for ‘certain plays’ to appear and then bet accordingly.  The book contained 7 or 8 different strategies (plays) to bet on when they occurred.  7D will also identify different biases in a shoe at different times, so opportunities will occur, that could be taken advantage of. 
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On 12/17/2021 at 7:03 AM, Flguy said:

Do you think there will  be swarms of people doing this and thus taking down any advantage.

Highly unlikely.  The "swarms" would have to be tens of thousands of players causing the casinos to "notice" a significant drop in Baccarat revenues over a period of time.  And connect an even higher unlikely situation where all those players are staring at a phone or tablet and an even higher unlikely possibility that the casino cameras can identify the BTC App as being the reason all of these tens of thousands of players are winning.

I know I'm being a little sarcastic and I don't intend on being a smart ass because the forum promotes open discussions and welcomes all questions.  That being said, whenever we talk about whether or not something we do or have somehow creates an advantage in a big way, I encourage a drive down the Las Vegas strip.

The casinos know the mindset of a typical gambler and they're not using an App. This is my opinion, of course.

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I know Vegas is not scared of the majority of gamblers.  It is the few that can beat them. The very few.

I think as long as the "whales" continue to feed the majority of profits for  the game, the hit and run strategy

that Keith recommends will survive.

I lived in Vegas for years and most people just don't want to walk away a winner.  

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Win 2 to 3 units per session then leave the table. A lot of people look for that big win. You might win big sometimes, but you cannot win big consistently.

                   " It is better to win a little a lot, than a lot a little "

Keep track of your play and you will see that those small unit wins add up. As you accumulate units, increase your unit size, and watch the money add up too. Try to think of units and not the money ( I know it's hard to do but just do it, I have a hard time before I increase my unit size ). 2 units of $25 is $50,  2 units of $200 is $400!

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OK I get it now ---- I should have said "Why should anyone not want to be a winner?" instead of "not want to walk away a winner?"  Because just like you said, the way to consistent winnings is to "win a little a lot.  Not a lot a little"  That's a GOOD quote.  So True!  Keep increasing that unit size as you accumulate units.  AMEN!  That WORKS!  I am living proof!! 

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28 minutes ago, barneypip said:

OK I get it now ---- I should have said "Why should anyone not want to be a winner?" instead of "not want to walk away a winner?"  Because just like you said, the way to consistent winnings is to "win a little a lot.  Not a lot a little"  That's a GOOD quote.  So True!  Keep increasing that unit size as you accumulate units.  AMEN!  That WORKS!  I am living proof!! 

That quote comes from a professional Baccarat player named Jason Sample.

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12 hours ago, barneypip said:

Why would ANYONE not want to walk away a winner?  Without a win goal, why even play at all?  Some things I'll NEVER understand.  And that's ONE of them!

They did not reach their win goal. After traveling 51/2 hours. 

Be a Tracker and Hunt wisely!

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7 hours ago, barneypip said:

OK I get it now ---- I should have said "Why should anyone not want to be a winner?" instead of "not want to walk away a winner?"  Because just like you said, the way to consistent winnings is to "win a little a lot.  Not a lot a little"  That's a GOOD quote.  So True!  Keep increasing that unit size as you accumulate units.  AMEN!  That WORKS!  I am living proof!! 

Now were talking that is correct.

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Be a Tracker and Hunt wisely!

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