Wendel

Hi Zeckam, I think that OTB4L Mode1 might work great in this case. It capitalizes on low 3's. In this case you go on the run after the first loss, bet 2 otr. If you have 4+'s you can stay OTR until it ends. It looks like you have a good grasp of SAP, so you can let SAP decide what to do after 4. OTB4l Mode 1 is covered in the NOR+ "manual " which is buried somewhere in the forums but it doesn't contain much more on this topic than I have just written, other than recommending staying OTR to the end of the run. You can probably find the "manual" by searching for NOR+. Let us know how this works. Wendel

Hi Zeckam , AS you get more experienced you may find that your bet selection will improve and your wins will outnumber your losses If you set a suitable stop win you may pick up enough units to make flat betting NOR worthwhile.

Hi Zeckam, You could consider using a 121 2 progression . In this particular version, only bet the second 2 bet if you win the second 1 bet. ie. if LLW bet the 2 bet . If you win the 2bet (LLWw) you are even for the 4 bets if you lose the 2bet (LLWL) you are only down 4 units If you bet 121 1 If you win the fourth bet ( 1 unit) you are down 1 unit for four bets if you lose the fourth bet (1 unit) you are down 3 units for 4 bets If you lose all 4 bets you are down 5 units. This is slightly more aggrssive than flat betting , but less aggreswive that 123 The first 2 bet in the prog will often make you extra units. If you are continually losing that bet flat bet for a while in that shoe to see if the second bets start winning. LLL continue flat betting until you win and the look for another 121 2 opportunity You could first bet 121 and watch the next bet to see if it would have won, then proceed to the 2 bet the next time

Please ignore this post. I just read NTRL9's previous post which explains the function of the button.

I think that if you don't put money on it , it doesn't count. It's too easy to say I will bet nothing on this outcome, because you are risking nothing and it isn't really gambling.

I cannot access the above article. As far as i know i paid for MDB+ amd had access before Ellis left. I also do not have access to the MDB forum anymore. It does not appear in my menu when I am on the forum. This seems to have happened around the time Ellis left , so I assumed that Ellis took it with him, but judging from the recent thread where this article was referneced I just don't have access to it. Thanks for looking into this for me Wendel.

Perfect !! Thanks.

Will members be able to have their own shoes entered and identified so they can be called back for practice ?

I remember that some of the local blackjack players that normally played at higher limits would play a session or 2 at lower limits after a significant winning streak, apparently to get their w/l ratio(s) back into sync. I don't know for a fact how this worked out. Maybe the "odds" don't care what colour chips you are playing. In my case, I am already playing lower limits so I will go with the advice in this thread regarding w/l ratio's.

Thanks. this is more stuff that I may be able to adapt to my analysis and ultimately my play. Wendel

Hi Brad01, Thank you for sharing this . I really appreciate it. I do find myself more than occaisionally with LLLLLWLLLLW strings. Betting against what appears to be the correct NOR bet seems hard to do , but I am going to give this a shot, albeit carefully. Usually my stop loss or my better judgement gets me out of these without too much damage, but i find it embarrasing as hell. In the past , I have taken a marker at -4 or so out of -8 and found a place to review my scorecard (usually McDonald's) to try and determine where the wheels fell of. Usually , i am playing at the only baccarat table available to me. Thanks again, Wendel

Hi, I haven't seen the w/l chart and its use discussed anywhere. is it a matter of keeping a count of bets won and lost(+1 for wins, -1 for losses) in the current game and betting more agressively when either wins out number losses or losses outnumber wins ? Thanks in advance. Wendel

moved question to more appropriate place.

Maybe. These shoes are good for practising mechanics , but may not necessarily represent what you find in a casino, so it is good to know how and where the shoes you are practising against originated.

Are Wizard of Odds shoes created by a random number generator ?

Hi, I have played 1 shoe and it seems to work pretty well. Are the shoes generated ? or are they actual shoes that have been compressed into a database ? Thanks a bunch Wendel

Hi TitleistGuy, I can hardly wait to use your spreadsheet Although I have an information systems background, I just don't have the spreadsheet and associated programming skills to do something like that I have just been transfering shoes to graph paper and filling in the circles as honestly as I can. Wendell

Yes, i was thinking to replicate the effect of a 1-2 prog with less risk. (less potential profit too)

Hi Brad, Have you considered a 0-1 or 1-0 prog & their respective loops ? I was considering a 0-1-2 prog for MDB+, but I realized that Way2fast had effectively built the 0 bet in his modifications to the original MDB+. I am not in a very good environment for MDB+ anyway , so I am not pursuing either option.

Yes, primarily this feature would be a practise tool where we wouldn't be able to see the outcomes before we bet. I am currently not 4D player so , this feature is primarily what I am interested in. IF there were such a database members might be encouraged to store their shoes there for practise and to share with the forum membership.Resoource consumption on the BTC server might become an issue, so we might want to have private databases on our own pc's. Even entering the shoe before playing would be a step forward but i don't have the pc programming skills to make it happen This might also be a great smartphone app(as a practise tool). I would also like to have a private databse for portability. BTW, I had a look at the 4d analyser app and I think it is really slick Wendel If you dressed this up a bit with a toteboard and some stats , It might be marketable (even without the 4D)

Hi Keith, can you make it read a BTC encoded shoe from a file or database into an array Then interactively present the next outcome in response to a user bet on either bank or player (in units) Wendel

I think that if you played it with OTB4L Mode 3 from the beginning or more realistically after the 331 , you would get beyond +10 (NOR stop win) without taking any liberties, before you would be forced to quit or get creative.. But the next shoe might not play as well with OTB4L mode 3.

Hi Tinman, Are you using the sap multipliers ? If you are adding 1 to the 2 column, it seems like you are not using the sap multipliers . 1's use multiplier = 1 add 1 to the 1's column 2s use multiplier = 2 add 2 to the 2's column 3s use multiplier = 4 add 4 to the 3's 4+s use multiplier =4 add 4 to the 4's column Doing it this way may make your decisions based on SAP more accurate.

Hi MVS? How long does it take to play 200 spins of roulette in the casino ? Thanks Wendel.

This is the part I was not sure about, and the rest was the same as my understanding of it. Nobody could have said it better. Thank you. Wendel